I'd say those two were about even. But why those two are succeeding or failing depends way more the individual themself than in the system. They've both gotten copious chances, Doobs did not excel. But the Twins HAVE to field that kind of team - they can't afford not too. That fact does remain, but that's not very sound thinking to me. I've gone over the main reason why that fact remains - they've had much better talent. That's a pretty important explanation to that remaining fact don't you think. If you just look at the remaining fact you're really leaving out a lot. Why did Doobs not get a second chance to start? They just don't have faith in him I guess, cuz he's not here anymore. Like with Choi, who hasn't done much in his pro career. Maybe they're wrong, but they have all the facts, and they'll get burned if they're wrong ya know? Murton's been up what two weeks? He's playing, if he keeps playing like he has he'll earn the starting spot don't you think? Holla was hitting very well too and benching him wouldn't have been a good move either. I agree Cedeno should play more, but he is playing some and that's something. I'm happy with Neifi. He's has done pretty darn well when you factor in his gold glove caliber fielding. He's come thru in some clutch situations all year, and while his OBP sucks, his BA is good for an SS, and BA is an important stat too in my book. Same thing goes with Macias. Cutting to the chase, we are looking at two managers who have opposite views of playing rookies. One believes you coddle the rookies, protect them, and place them only in certain situations like a righty/lefty match-up. The other manager believes you let them play and continue playing even if they first struggle. One of those managers has won 15 straight division championships. You're always one to point to Dusty's alleged success as why we should give him benefit of the doubt. But there's another manager who obviously has a different view and has shown to be much more successful than Dusty. That in itself should give much credence to the argument that Dusty's teams would be more successful given a different approach.