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3/4 of Old Prior > 2/3 of all pitchers in the bigs, and he's relatively cheap. $3MM for no production is not cheap. The Cubs are not desperate for starting pitching this year, there is no need to potentially throw $3MM down the drain on wishful thinking.

So does this deal now save the Cubs $6MM+ with the subtraction of Jones' and Ohman's contracts?

I heard it on ESPN 1000 as well. Ohman and Infante gone. Nice, Thanks. :D I don't think Ohman had any future with the Cubs after what happened last year.

any confirmation?

http://wintermeetings.mlblogs.com/nashvilleconfidential/2007/12/waiting_for_the.html Best news of the night. :D

Spare part? :lol: You got to give it to Hendry though, he has been playing up the Dempster to the rotation bit.

Sure Murton puts up decent numbers, but Floyd put up better numbers than Murton last year and people here were thrilled to see him leave. Once Soriano signed with the Cubs, Murton's days were numbered.

None of those guys look like Hendry type guys. The OF has a high OBP and the pitcher has a ridiculous strikeout to walk ratio.

Yet watch the media pile on if the report names one of those people by whom the media feels wronged. (Sosa and Bonds are prime examples.) They'll never let it die, no matter how little the fans care, because there's nothing more vindictive than a slighted reporter. If Sosa's name comes up, you'll be able to see Phil Rogers' boner from outer Mongolia. Put me in the camp of people who don't care much either way. And count me as another person tired of the Bob Costas/Billy Crystal vision of baseball. Baseball is more than just those flickering black and white highlight reels that get them all hard. The fact that so many dusty-ass media farts still present it that way--as some treasured, pristine homage to the days of yore--is why many in the younger generation see it as the dull sport their grandpas used to love. I think the average fan actually does care and that the players listed on the report will take a huge PR hit (assuming they were any good to begin with). Look at the grief that Bonds takes in every stadium that he plays in. And its funny to see people attack the media to discredit them before the names have even been released. The problem isn't that the media is making baseball seem like a "treasured" sport. The problem is that baseball let themselves get strong armed by the players union, and then acted ignorant about it. Once again, had baseball had some guts and stood up to the player's association earlier, this whole story wouldn't be that big of a deal. In a few years, after testing has been going on, this story will die down and when someone is caught, it won't be such a spectacle. But right now its such a big deal because, MLB's and the player unions actions.

Sorry I'm late to this party. I have an answer to this riddle, though. Eric Patterson. I don't think they're looking for a LF. Just stick him back at 2B. He's not that bad. You must not have seen him play there. I saw him in Iowa and he is that bad. They would be better off sticking Soriano back at 2B and looking for a LF and RF.

Sorry I'm late to this party. I have an answer to this riddle, though. Eric Patterson. Fontenot actually put up good numbers last year vs. RHP.

I'm interested to see the amount of the 1 year contract. If it is for less than 1MM, I don't think it is a bad deal. It would allow them to look for someone better during the offseason. If it is for $5MM or so, the Cardinals are out of their mind.

I don't suppose Hendry is bright enough to go for Randy Winn instead of Dave Roberts. I don't know how bad Roberts' contract is but if it means we get rid of Marquis, I'm all for it. 1 more year, 7.5M. Marquis has 08:$6.375M, 09:$9.875M Not true. Roberts has two years remaining at $6.5 per. I would rather have Marquis at that price.

I don't suppose Hendry is bright enough to go for Randy Winn instead of Dave Roberts. Yeah, Dave Roberts looks like Juan Pierre without as many SB's. I'll pass.

Don't you think that baseball is villified so much because of their refusal to have any sort of real testing until recently? I'm suprised to see so much shoulder shrugging in this thread about cheating. Isn't the reasoning behind the of banning PED's, to make it an even playing field for all players including the ones that didn't have to cheat or take steroids to do it? Many sports regulate their sport to keep the playing field even. Golf restricts the size and type of club you can use, Auto racing restricts the type of engine setup you are allowed to have, and on and on, even baseball restricts the useage of corked bats, or scuffing the ball. In football, if you are caught using PED's or other drugs you are automatically suspended for 4 games for first time use. Until recently, baseball had nothing of the sort. The reason the names in baseball are such a big deal is because speculation has been running rampant about drug use, and the league repeatedly refused to do anything about it until recently. If anything it will be a black eye on the league for being in denial for so long.

Bruce, that was some on the spot commentary. The Astros may have done the next owner of the Cubs a huge favor by outbidding Hendry. And could somebody relay to Hendry that he should probably be looking for a good hitter in general, no matter what side of the plate he bats. The Cubs sound stupid by saying they want a left handed hitter. Wouldn't it be nice to just have a RF that can hit?

The Astros are proof that the Cubs could do worse for a GM.

Amen. Ed Wade is making Hendry look like a genius.

Is your friend's name Bilo? :D

I would pay 3/15MM for that kind of production at 2b.

I hate this. Just sign him already Ed. Please save us. Now it is 3/15MM?? ](*,)

Why wouldn't the Twins just take Reyes and Millege or some similar package?

For real, I'm really tired of this getting attention. I know I don't care in the slightest. You say that, but I think you might care if somehow Lee, Aram, Z, or Woody showed up on the list. Odds are that one of them will. And I still won't care. Put it another way: Does ESPN rip Rodney Harrison for being suspended for PED's? How is baseball more sacred than football? Old-Timeyness is why. And I don't have a care in the world for Auld Thyme Base-Ball. Because it isn't 1927 anymore. Nor is it 1967. It is going to be embarrassing to every person listed in the report, and you are crazy if you don't think that it will have an impact on the players. Nobody wants to be labeled as or thought of as a cheater. I doubt that Lee or Ramirez will be on the list, but say if someone like Lee were on the list, it would be a big blow to his image.

You may be on to something. If you look back at the last 2 weeks (starting Nov. 15) Pie is hitting around .279 with a .367 OBP and has 6 BB to 7K. His BB rate has gotten considerably better lately. Maybe his work is starting to pay off.

I'm not so sure. The Cubs may match up very well with the Twins. I think many of us undervalue Hill. In only his first full year, Hill posted a 1.19 WHIP and a 3.92 ERA. That is not too shabby at all. Hill is cheap for another year or two and could be a solid #2. (He would be an immediate upgrade over Garza, Silva) If I'm the Twins I look real hard at a guy that put up those numbers in the majors in his first full year.