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  1. Actually my point was to defend him for taking his time. I have heard others suggest he is holding up the market and he should want to decide quickly (within 2 to 4 days) so teams can get on with their off season. I was not trying to compare this decision with a decision in what hat someone wears. I agree with you that this is a life decision. And he earned the right to decide when he wants to.
  2. I get that. And I don’t understand why it takes him this long to make a decision. However the fact is everyone is different. For me, I would be able to make a decision quickly. It frustrates me when people can’t. However I have a son in law who takes 30 minutes to pick a hat to wear when he goes out. Another 30 minutes to pick a pair of sun glasses. I don’t get it. But not my place to comment and I don’t have to understand it. Well maybe Ohtani is that sort of guy. Someone who is wishy washy and indecisive. Trying to rush him is only going to cause more angst. While you might be right, he does care about slowing things down, he still might not be able to decide quickly.
  3. I would trade either for him. Sure, he might get injured again. But he also might not and if he doesn’t he would be the best pitcher on the team. Worth the risk IMO. And it is only 1 year so not like they are tying money up on a injured player for several years. High risk and high reward. If they needed to I wouldn’t have an issue if they added someone like Thompson as well.
  4. I doubt he cares that he is holding up the market. Not his problem. I can’t see him taking that long, but I also don’t think he owes it to anyone to choose on someone else’s timeframe. Maybe he overplays his hand by waiting and teams move on. But maybe waiting also gets him more. Everyone is different.
  5. Which is why my original point was I wouldn’t be so disappointed in the FO if he stayed in LA. IMO that would mean that was his preference all along and he had to be blown away to leave. But I would be disappointed if he left and it wasn’t here because that means a different FO did a better job of selling the experience with that team.
  6. I have to think money/contract structure all have to be pretty similar. I also agree with 1908 that no matter who he signs with you will hear he left money in the table. Contracts at this point can be so different as far as structure with the end money similar. But he might take the 10 year deal with higher annual and more opt outs over the 12 year deal with a lot of back money and maybe deferred money and little or no opt outs, but guarantees him a higher end result. And then it will be pointed out by not taking 12 years he left guaranteed money on the table. Which team he chooses, I doubt he will ever say it is because they gave him more money. To me it is all going to come down to the sales pitch. I think each team will have a good enough contract in place for him to sign.
  7. You don’t know what he thinks. Might like Wrigley. Might not like LA. If he is on the Cubs they are also a good team. Favorite in the central. More exposure in the Midwest. His games are played at a time most of the country can watch. I mean, sure what you suggest could be true. But we don’t know his preference. And then there is money and contract structure. I feel the Dodgers are the favorites, but we can’t be sure. The only thing that makes me think he really might not be sure is if he was sure why would he have these GM’s fly to LA to try to recruit him. Why wouldn’t he just tell them it to bother he is choosing LA?
  8. I agree. I still have faith this will be a good off season and the team they put on the field will protect to a 90+ win team. And looking at the Yankees collection of guys said to be going for Soto, I think if the Cubs do lose out on Ohtani they can easily put something together that the Padres would take that wouldn’t cost a top 10 system prospect. Maybe not even top 20. Maybe Aasad and add a few back end prospects. I was not overly impressed with what the Yankees offered. Maybe they aren’t in now because they feel they have a good chance at Ohtani. That might change if they lose him.
  9. I still think if the Cubs don’t sign him it is because the Dodgers did. They might just be too hard to overtake and convince him to leave LA.
  10. I commented already on accepting LA and not being disappointed with the Cubs effort. I also said I wouldn’t be mad at the FO if they didn’t get him. However, if he does want to be the face of Canadian baseball, I have to think someone in Toronto pitched that to him. Someone in Toronto explained how great it would be to play in Toronto. I highly doubt that was a childhood dream of his. So, since they pitched that to him if he choses them that would mean their FO did a better sales job than the Cubs FO. That would mean he came in with an open mind towards any team that offered him a contract and the Blue Jays outsold the Cubs, for whatever reason. He was there for the taking and the Cubs FO didn’t do a good enough job of selling all that comes with being a Cub. I feel it is perfectly acceptable being disappointed in the FO for not making it happen.
  11. I don’t think I would say I was mad at the Cubs if they didn’t get him. I would be very disappointed in them for not selling the team, the city, the ballpark, and the fans better to him so that he would pick Chicago. Where if he went to LA I would just assume it was always an uphill battle because that is where he wanted to go all along.
  12. Not clearly available? Soto available for trade is the worst kept secret in baseball. He is clearly available. SD main focus this off season is dumping salaries not winning a WS. Thanks also pretty obvious.
  13. I can accept LA being the winner of Ohtani for the very same reason you mentioned. I would be fine with the Cubs effort and accept there want anything they could do to change his mind. But if he does go anywhere else I would be upset with the FO.
  14. If the other starting pitcher came via a trade and he is a low cost controlled pitcher and they added Hoskins too, then I see that as a 90 win team. Trade PCA for the young pitcher and maybe get a solid pen arm as well and/or a third baseman. PCA for Cabrera, Puk, Burger or Ryan, Jax, Polanco? Something like that? Maybe add someone if need be. These are just examples of possible deals. Morel is the DH. IMO that is a 90 win team. And I am not sure they need Hader at his cost.
  15. Pretty much everything yiu said about Toronto yiu could say about Chicago. Chicago is amazing in the summer. Great food, theater, museums,
  16. I’m not saying the Cubs are better team or a better option. I am saying they are on par with the Blue Jays. So if they for him the did better convincing or offer a better contract. Dodger have a built in advantage because they always win and they are in the same city he has been in for years. That might be too much to overcome.
  17. I will say this, if it isn’t the Cubs it better be the Dodgers. I can except that. I will believe there was nothing they could do to change his mind. But if it is the Blue Jays I would question why the Cubs couldn’t do more. Easy to say the Dodgers have more going for them then the Cubs. I have a hard time believing the Cubs FO couldn’t convince Otani they have more going for them than the Blue Jays.
  18. Very true. If he wants a sure playoff experience he goes to the Dodgers. However we don’t know what else he values. And I am also certain the Cubs can make a case to him that with him they will be very good. If he loves Chicago, guys like Darvish and Suzucki talk it up, he loves the park and the Cubs offer is right up there with what he wants, both in money and structure, I wouldn’t worry about him not coming here because he isn’t sure they can win.
  19. I don’t know how much it helps to show Otani they are committed to winning, but it can’t hurt. I am sure they aren’t going to make a deal just to prove a point to Otani. But if they get the right deal prior to Otani signing I am sure they will make it and let him know they did so as confirmation they are trying to put a winning team in the field in 24’. In the end the most money or bet structured contract to the players wishes typically wins out, however.
  20. Paredes is going to come with a very high cost. And he just isn’t someone I trust. At least not at his cost to acquire.
  21. I agree getting Otani or Soto is a huge plus for the off season. But, there are still many avenues to building 90+win team next year, through FA and trades. They would have to go over the LT this year, but probably be back under in 25’. All is not lost if they don’t get Otani, Soto or Yamamoto, but the path gets more narrow.
  22. This is a discussion for another thread. And a very polarizing topic. I will choose not to get involved in this one.
  23. Cease actually has 2 years left. I don’t think the Cubs trade for him, but he isn’t a one year guy. So far the only 1 year guys mentioned are Glasnow and Bieber(a little) That sort of guy makes sense with Ohtani. Whether anyone wants either or not, is another discussion.
  24. Cease to the Cubs is probably marginally more likely than Gilbert. Sox aren’t going to trade him to the Cubs unless it is an extreme overpay.
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