It doesn't matter. Regardless of the answer to that question, Jocketty brought TLR to St Louis (so either he brought the players, or he brought the guy who brought the players), while Krivsky brought Dusty to Cincy. Accumulating the right players is one thing. Accumulating the right players and then surrounding them with someone who preaches a sound organizational philosophy and sets the conditions for them to succeed is something else. Give me the GM who accumulates the right players and puts a blind 6 year old in charge over the GM who signs Richie Sexson and Jose Vidro long term while putting vintage Dick Williams in charge(choose your manager here) Talent wins out, even in spite of a clueless fool like Dusty Baker in charger. That's an extreme example. How do you explain 2004 then? That team was arguably better than this years. I agree that talent is more important. However, when you're talking young talent, like in Cincy, if you surround those prospects with people who have a poor approach to the game, it can prevent those prospects from developing. Look at how long we went without developing a solid positional prospect. It wasn't because we never drafted anyone with ML talent from year to year, it was the wrong organizational guys who weren't developing them. People with Dusty's philosophy can ruin them. Take Dunn for example, if he came up with Dusty as a coach, and he adopted that hitting philosophy (i.e. don't walk...), where would he be today? I was pointing at more than the manager with that comment, but the manager is certainly a major part of that equation. Talent is more important once that talent is developed, but that doesn't mean the manager and the rest of the organization has no impact.