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  1. 17 Seconds
    Wow, now I take back everything I said to defend hendry in this decision. Jim Hendry is a piece of trash. I can't even imagine how pissed I'm going to be when they give Dempster like 60 million. Part of me almost hopes our bullpen (Gregg especially) is a disaster next year just so hendry can eat isht.
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    No chance in hell Cleveland trades Choo for Gregg.
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    If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine. So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever? Huh? Because we have adequate other internal options? You didn't say that, though. You said he shouldn't be replaced. If you would have said "We don't need to sign or trade for a bullpen arm because we have adequate internal options" there'd be no issue. You made it sound like you were arguing for keeping him on the team next year. No he didn't... you misread it. Look at the post he was responding to. The guy was saying Howry's production needed to be replaced and nilo was just saying that it didn't.
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    If we got fuentes then why would we need Gregg...you talkin loco. Why do we need to replace Howry? He was no good last year and we were fine. So because we made the playoffs, we shouldn't replace a crappy reliever? Huh? I see what he was saying. Howry had nothing to do with our success last year. He was pretty much irrelevant and you don't need to replace irrelevance.
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    Furcal? Soriano? Roberts? Peavy? I thought that Fukudome was our number one target last offseason though. According to Piniella it doesn't seem like Peavy is our number one target though. But who knows if he was being truthful or not. We should know by now that Lou always plays dumb. He says that about every player we're rumored to be after. I don't think there's any doubt they wanted Roberts more than Fuku And you're right about Soriano. I was thinking Furcal but I was a year early
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    I'm not so sure that using him as the closer would limit his innings anyways. We all know how Lou is. As soon as Gregg and all the other mediocre arms in the pen start walking guys and getting into trouble in the 8th you know he'll bring in Marmol for an extra out...or 2...or 3 Really Lou can't help himself when it comes to relievers and Marmol. I oculd see him saying to Rothschild before the game "Okay seriously Larry, you CAN NOT let me use Marmol for mroe than an inning tonight. It's your job to stop me...no matter what I say"
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    Kevin Gregg nets us draft picks if he closes for us and closes well. Carlos Marmol can be more effective for us if he isn't closing. That's as far as I need to think about it. But how will Marmol take the news that he isn't going to be closer? I'm sure he would be a little trooper and say the right things like, "whatever's best for the team" and such, but you have to think the guy will want to close. Put yourself in Marmol's shoes, don't you think he deserves it? I'm not saying Marmol closing is the best thing for the team, but the way Larry and Lou managed his innings last year has me somewhat concerned. Who cares what Marmol thinks? He is the employee
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    If Peavy doesn't go to the Cubs that will be 3 of the last 4 offseasons where we've missed out on our number one target. This would piss me off less than the other 2 though.
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    Uh...........the White Sox? Dotel at $5 million and Linebrink at $4 million, perhaps? I was looking at just the best of the non-closers on those teams(i.e. Matt Thornton), but yes, the White Sox are a good comp, paying their 4th best bullpen arm 5 million dollars. Scot Shields is another one and David Riske is pretty close
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    The Brewers had a few guys making around 5m as set-up guys. I think the Phillies also paid Tom Gordon around 5m, but he was on the DL. Plus nobody said that Gregg wouldn't end up being the closer next season. As for being a type A, Gregg just has be somewhat decent this year and he will. But after how he pitched the last two years, I don't know why we would suck next year at his age. Besides a two week stretch when Gregg was probably pitching hurt, he was pretty good last year. Riske? Who'd they trade for him? Actually, speaking of the brewers reminded me that the Torres trade is a pretty good comp...Ceda is much more highly thought of than either guy the Bucs got. They gave Riske 3/13 last offseason
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    What Towers says means nothing to me, but I've been thinking lately that he's going to go somewhere other than Atlanta or Chicago. It seemsl ike something would have happened by now.
  12. 17 Seconds
    If anything, Wood owes the organization for all the money wasted on him
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    Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? No. Trading Ceda for Gregg wasn't the only alternative to not signing Wood. What are some realistic alternatives that can be had? Perhaps comparing them will be helpful. We're not in contact with other GMs so there is no way we could possibly know who is available. That's kind of a silly thing to ask. Then it is kind of silly to say that there are better alternatives. A) He never said there were better alternatives B) Just because you can't give examples of something doesn't mean it's not true
  14. 17 Seconds
    Do you think he has more value than Gregg?
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    Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? No. Trading Ceda for Gregg wasn't the only alternative to not signing Wood. What are some realistic alternatives that can be had? Perhaps comparing them will be helpful. We're not in contact with other GMs so there is no way we could possibly know who is available. That's kind of a silly thing to ask.
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    lawl
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    seeya d00d
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    id rather lose with wood than win without him. and i know i am not in the minority. Sorry but that's kind of embarrassing
  19. 17 Seconds
    I think this is just leading up to Kerry Wood calling Jim Hendry tomorrow and saying "1 year/5 million and you've got me for 2009", cementing his legacy in Chicago. Either that or.. not that
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    Well none of those guys had injury concerns, so at least there's that I just don't see how you can give 40 million or whatever it would take to Wood right now. It's bad enough to spend that much on a reliever, but a reliever who is a virtual lock to get injured? It's the right move letting him walk. If you put personal feelings aside you've gotta admit that. Personally I'm not that upset. I'm glad. I love Wood but that's going to be a bad contract wherever he goes. We've been down that road before.
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    The Sox don't really need bullpen help
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    Yes but not significantly enough to say it's "insane" to choose any of those guys over gregg for an inning. Plus I was going by last year's performance. It's relatively crazy to say that you'd for sure prefer 5 different guys who are inferior pitchers. It's not like Gregg gets by on Borowski-stuff either to make you prefer others in that fashion either. Those guys aren't all "inferior" to gregg. I'm not agreeing with the guy anyways, I'm just saying I don't think what he said was "insane"
  23. 17 Seconds
    You guys want to be even more pissed about losing Wood? Think about Soriano's contract
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    I just looked up Gregg's stats from the past two years, and I've confirmed that this post is completely insane which of those guys is gregg significantly better than? Cotts, Wuertz, Guzman, Samardzija, and Gaudin have been worse than Gregg the last two years. Yes but not significantly enough to say it's "insane" to choose any of those guys over gregg for an inning. Plus I was going by last year's performance.
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    I'm pretty sure he's confusing you with JeffH, who would still bash Hendry even if he brought home 4 straight World Series titles. that guy cracks me up. raven: are you really confusing me with that dude? No, I am not confusing you with anyone. It is clear, to me, where the conversation started and how it has continued. If it is not to you, then perhaps go back and read it again. I don't have to go back through the thread to know that I never "blew up" at Hendry and certainly not more than the mjaority of the board did when learning about the trade.
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