Meh on errors. He gets a lot more chances than Theriot and while he does botch routine plays, his bigger number of chances makes for a bigger number of errors. CubbieBum, you are in over your head. You are new here and you are making tired arguments that just don't fly here. No one save for DeuceBaseman probably agrees with what you've said here. So take a step back and read some other threads and try FJM. The way to evaluate players changed with this little book called Moneyball that everyone worth anything on here endorses. Old-timey attributes like speed, batting average, RBI, runs etc aren't the way to evaluate a player - they are a way to overvalue him. And given that Theriot only demonstrates two of these meaningless attributes with any proficiency doesn't help your case. To the person who suggested that arguing with new members who are clueless and somewhat set in their ways is useless (Constable?), I think it kind of worked in the case of LLF. Plus it's fun.