i feel sorry for the naive reds fans though I don't ok your right They should listen to us, if they don't, it's their problem Well that may be true, but I feel sorry for the Reds fans that saw this coming. All that young talent and promise pretty much down the drain. On paper, if the Reds start the right guys all season, they could be legitimate contenders this year. As long as Baker is at the helm, there is just no way this is happening.