CyHawk_Cub

Overreaction much? I believe that is sarcasm... I thought green was jealously... I thought green was....uhhh, something else. Or does it only pertain to M&Ms (trying to recall from when I was a kid)...

Since the Cubs have lost 2 in a row, and the season is over, can we please see Cedeno start @ SS & Murton @ LF please?

Yup...helluva curveball hitter as I recall.....another one of those guys w/ amazing tools that continually frustrated. Spent numerous lazy summer days growing up listening to Harry & Stoney rave about Shawon's rocket throws to first.

Get the pitchforks out. This year's Jacque Jones just made a mistake. Let the avalanche begin. didn't see much from the anti-theriot crowd after his game-winning rbi yesterday. plus, isn't it generally a good idea to try to hit the ball hard? that's what he did in the 8th inning; unfortunately it was a line drive right at helton and it was a dp. I've taken a back seat to who should actually start since both are playing well and the team is playing well, but do you honestly believe that the ball Theriot hit in the 8th inning was a hard hit ball? That's not the way I saw it. And I will admit that Theriot has hit some balls hard these past few weeks. I would tend to agree with that. The 1st inning DP was a hard hit ball that Tulo made a beautiful play on. The 8th inning ball was unlucky to be a DP, but was a pretty soft line drive. Theriot's got to be careful though. His leash is shortening, and even hitting into bad luck is probably not going to help him much in Lou's eyes with Cedeno playing so well. These next 2 weeks will be very important for him. I'm just happy Cedeno is playing well, because that means Theriot either plays well (which helps the ballclub) or is replaced (which also helps the club). Well put... Much more palatable to some than saying "I hope Riot struggles so Ronny gets the job."

and start Ronny @ SS...he might as well get game time in the position he'll most assuredly take over upon Sori's return!! :)

Cubs fans around the world are in Nirvana given the current run.... The fall won't hurt us, but the sudden stop sure as hell will... Prove me wrong Cubs & take this one too....

I'm wondering if we're presently watching reality TV of that fall happening before our eyes. A stretch, I know, but I am concerned

It will continue until MLB umpires are held accountable for their calls on the field. Not the worst call ever, though. That would probably be the call at 1st base in the 1985 World Series with Dane Iorg. I'm pretty sure that was Don Denkinger. He's definitely the one. He still gets death threats from Cards fans. As for the Braves one, the 1st baseman's body language is pretty hilarious. He masked it pretty well, but you can tell he's shocked, too. ETA: I love the announcers reactions, too. He and my late grandfather were friendly...not super tight, but they knew each other well. I've had the pleasure of speaking w/ Denk several times. I always avoided asking him about the '85 Series.... I agree that the umping seems plain ludicrous this year... BTW, who are the competant umps anymore? It's gotta be a short list....either that or selective perception just makes it seem like all the umping is substandard.

Bah!! Trying to watch via mlb.tv premium, and I get no video!! I can hear Len & Bob...

The Cubs didn't score in the ninth today. :wink: Damn crappy offense...can''t even score in the 9th!

:lol:

Yes, that^^^^

No, no...not sad.. It's like a couple people have expressed: it's like seeing our own children growing up before our eyes

Niiiiice Ronny!! Now grab a hold of the starting SS job...

I'd rather watch sausage being made than see another replay of ....that play

Screw the K-Zone too...

There was a stretch last year when I thought Fontenot might be good...how monumentally wrong I was.

Did you really post this? yep! NVM....not worth the effort

Meh...

Geo...

Not necessarily true. Respectfully disagree. Major-league pitchers are better, but they aren't 120 points of batting average better. If Pie tanks completely this season, it'll be because he tanked, not the jump from AAA to the majors. I disagree with you. ML pitchers are miles better. Ever hear of Roosevelt Brown? Julio Zuleta? Trenidad Hubbard? Those are all guys who at completely ripped AAA pitching for multiple years. None of them amounted to anything in the majors. Triple A is full of journeymen who will never be major league pitchers. Though, ML pitching is watered down, most of the league isn't Les Walrond. There is a huge difference in being able to hit an average ML pitcher and being able to hit a AAA pitcher. We all hate Jason Marquis, but he is so much better than your run of the mill AAA pitcher that it's not funny. Yeah, it's so easy to forget just how good the guys are in the Bigs... Actually stating that Marquis is "so much better" than AAA guys just gives me a renewed appreciation of that!!:)

It feels weird to be cautiously optimistic about us possibly being able to beat good teams.... Go Cubs...

^---Edited to make a summary of how I took your original post. An assumption, a generalization, and an exaggeration. Out of curiousity, what do you observe in "our" discussions that are troublesome? You may be dead on correct with some of your feelings -- about the failure of productive race discussions. But you're not likely winning any minds with that post. Again, I won't dispute your POV either. Look, I didn't say that white people shouldn't be part of the discourse...only that I find it "bemusing", that is the word I used. I think you might be making a bit of an assumption yourself. At least I admit my assumption. Oh, and just to be clear, I identify mostly w/ white, middle class America. My genetic code is Asian, but I was adopted by white parents. Hell, you would have zero clue I am Asian by my name. I get a kick out of meeting people who know me by name only, who have talked w/ me over the phone dozens of times...the looks on their faces is priceless!! Oh, and I also didn't say anything about finding anything "troublesome" in white people's discussions of race...again, I said "bemusing"... To be fair, I didn't really elaborate either... I suppoose you could say that I get a kick out of hearing liberally inclined whites discuss racism w/ some sort of informed slant... I don't wanna go off on that tangent though.. I hate to use such a pat rationalization, but I will: the experience of minorities just can't be fully understood by those in the majority. God I hate that argument, but that's all I'm left with... I realize there are logical holes in some of the things I say; large enough for at ruck to be driven through it. That may be the point though...it's not entirely a logical discussion...wish it was, b/c then we wouldn't even need to have the discussion in the first place. Oh, a final thought....I'm not trying to win any minds w/ my post. ....... EDIT: I did use "bemusing"....sorry, my bad...improper use of the word. It just hit me; that's why you thought I found white discussion oif race as "troublesome"....b/c that actually is what I said...it wasn't what I meant; it's been a long weekend. The connotation I intended was "irony" or even "amusement"... My apologies...

That argument has never made any sense to me. You don't have to have experienced something to be able to discuss it. It's like Joe Morgan's "he never played the game, so he can't truly know" spiel. It's dumb. Even if your dumb premise was right, you still need white people to enter the race discussion. I mean, how can you expect to fix the problem by cutting white people from the discussion? Absurd. I'm not gonna dispute the logical merits of your argument...b/c I can't. It's just one of those unexplainable things. And I'm not quite down w/ analogizing discussion of baseball w/ a topic that has been historically & socially divisive, but that's just me. Guess I don't see the point in analogizing everything like is all the rage on message boards.

x2... I want to see how they look after playing some better teams... Then again, if you take the Cubs losses off the Pirates record, they don't look too bad... Hmmmm. They can play crappily against better teams all year long it doesn't really matter, its the NL Central that matters. The NL Central is crappy, and probably always will be. Well, you're welcome to shoot for the gopher hole...but to win a World Series, I don't think being satisfied w/ only beating crap teams will quite cut it... And yes, I'm well-aware that it's a crap shoot in the post season; guess I'd just like to know we have a good team that can hang w/ one of the AL behemoths. It would make my summer much more enjoyable!! :)