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I say Cards. That being said, they are still better than us, so it doesn't matter.

I'm REALLY bored tonight: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/snetsrak43/rich.jpg

I'm past hoping. I'm praying. I'm ready to sacrifice a bear cub to appease the baseball gods.

No. I believe the going price for a 32 year old who hits .274 .298 .383 is 2YRS/5MIL. This is a steal! Oh wait we shouldn't judge the value of crappy veterans based on the Cubs?

I think this is the thread where this analogy was made. It really fits anywhere: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/snetsrak43/beatup.jpg

I can hear it from the casual Cubs fan already. How did one of the best offseasons, where aquired all that speed and D, backfire? The curse is real!! Its okay, being cursed makes me like the Cubs more! I'll still buy tickets just to see Wrigley Field and get drunk! Whos in left field? MUR-TON? Never heard of him. Give me the French Guys! Pierre and Jaque! And then you aren't surprised that we aren't champs.

Its because a Cardinals fan could never really know true pain. Only us poor Cubs fans. I.. I.. http://members.roadfly.com/keithm3/cubs%20believe.JPG :oops: Are you a closet Cubs fan? Take my advice and turn around before you a full blown die hard. Not even the toughest of humans can take the pain.

So after we tank this year, how long does it take the new GM to turn around this club? I'd be shooting for 2012.

How many seasons did it take for him to get these stats? If you were put in for a slow power hitter after his last at bat during any close game you could get those numbers in ony one season, as long as you had some other sporadic pinch running.

Seconded

I hope the Bears crush the Pack on Sunday to make me forget about this joke of an organization. I can't be this sad during the holidays.

No. I'm pretty sure I read from something Bruce posted(I think) that the point in trading Tejada would be to gain pitching depth. If they dealt two pitchers and got two back, although stronger they wouldnt have as much depth.

I take that back. Make it A lot of money plus another decent prospect.

Probably would be more like : Pierre Jones Lee Tejada Ramirez Niefi Murton Cedeno BLEH! Cubs using Neifi at catcher? Oops My mind thought one thing and my hands another sub Barett for Cedeno

I would trade do the following deal incling Prior (while not making it complete fantasy) Prior Hill/Guzman Murton extra Bullpen arm low level prospect FOR Tejada Roberts Mora Bedard A little cash

Its because a Cardinals fan could never really know true pain. Only us poor Cubs fans.

Probably would be more like : Pierre Jones Lee Tejada Ramirez Niefi Murton Cedeno BLEH!

No, not only will Hendy ruin the future with guys he signs, but also by giving away stud pitchers who will haunt us for years as we see cy youngs rack up

Just to clarify. WhenI said Hendry has more of an idea of whats going on, I meant like behind the scenes. He has a good idea of whos REALLY available, who is a desired trade chip from other teams, and who isn't all that valuabe. Not to mention he probably has access to many sources to find out what is really going on (like knowing why a guy had a down year, reasons fans would't be aware of) Stuff likthis probably helped with Barrett- or just dumb luck, I don't know- SOME people on message boards could do just as well , assuming they worked their way up to learn the ropes, and then were given this "privelaged" information. Most of us couldn't. Not that we can't point out deficincies, but factoring in everything. Many GM's with jobs can't do this.

Whos the best playerin the draft? We'll just tel him to demand some ridiculous amount with the guarantee we'll pick him up at 13. Probably illegal, but I'm for it!

Heh, I just realized that with a three year deal, Jones will contribute to our suckage until 2008- just long enough to extend our streak past 100 years. 101 years later... 2009 baby!

I agree that Pie should stay the whole year in AAA unless he asolutely dominates there until about July. And by dominate I don't mean just a high average and lots of doubles, HR. I'd like to see stats that show he isn't just having a year long lucky streak. IsoP BAIP OBP that doesn't seem attatched to his BA-for instance, he hit about .300 .350 this year. If he hit .330 .380 that would't really show that he as any more patience. Along with any other stats that I don't even know. If Pie was ready in August say, what kind of line would you be pleased with to begin? I'd say I'd be happy with .250 .320 .430

I just want someone to guarantee that if these terrible moves somehow work and we pull a White Sox, that they wil be here to remind me and anyone else that basically no one trusted Hendry, and rightfully so, and that it was luck. Because if next seaon is a success I wold be too overcome with happiness to remember the terrible moves.

Bruce, why is Hendry still set on moving Walker? If he were the trade chip for a rightfielder, I could understand...but that spot is filled. What beneift could the Cubs get from trading him? Is there something about him that we don't know, or is Hendry that clueless? Boy would I love to hear a candid answer tothat question. I always give candid answers, both here and in the newspaper. The Cubs, as Goony mentioned, are stressing defense, for better or worse. They don't seem to like the way Walker plays the position compared with other second baseman. There are pitchers who've also voiced concern about the defense behind them. The Cubs feel, again right or wrong, that if the defense can turn the double play instead of extending the inning, their pitchers will have a better chance. I, too, am dismayed by the Cubs' seeming lack of emphasis on OBP and OPS. From an offensive standpoint, Walker certainly would look good in the No. 2 spot. And for the money _ and considering what they spent for a lot of mid-level guys _ Walker is an absolute bargain. Walker might annoy them with some of his comments to the media from time to time, but that really has no bearing on them not wanting to keep him. It's interesting to note, however, that Walker has worn out his welcome with other teams.If he does go, I'll miss him, not only because he provides provocative and juicy quotes. He's one of the best guys I've dealt with. That is interesting to hear. I suppose it possible there is a reason no one wants him. Can't imagine what that reason is.

Pierre's career stats: .310 .353 .320 .673 .327 .378 .415 .793 .287 .332 .343 .675 .305 .361 .373 .734 .326 .374 .407 .781 .276 .326 .354 .680 Two bad years. Three good ones, and a pretty good rookie year(51 games only) Hasn't missed game in three years in Florida, and put up two 150+ seasons in Colorado. Pierre adds a lot of positives. He is not perfect, and yes, if you looked at numbers there may have been some better options, there may not have been better options. Some of the options were definately available, others we don't really know. I don't know if I would have gone the same route as Hendry, but I know a lot less about what is going on than him.