Never. We'll win week 17. How the hell are you just opposite people re: the Packers and Cubs. :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you really need to ask that? The Packers are good. They've been good for a long time, they have an organizational philosophy based on winning, they have lots of talent, good people making the right calls, and they've won a championship in my lifetime, and there's a very realistic shot at more in the not too distant future. You can say exactly none of those things about the Cubs lol nice edit The Cubs have been just as close to a championship over the past 12 years as the Packers have. lol That is assuming I'm remembering correctly that Favre threw that awful pick into triple coverage in the 07 NFC championship game. So the Cubs' awful history mattered in 2008 when you were freaking out over every almost meaningless September loss? The Packers' "championship tradition" has something to do with how they're going to do in two weeks when they're decimated by injuries and have an awful coach?