What if the team I like beat the team that played USC like that? And had as many losses as that team, and was ranked over 10 spots worse? Possible reason: Got smeared by Ohio State at home, and lost to Michigan (remember, the bad three-loss team that ND 'barely escaped') at home. Compare to Notre Dame getting rocked(similar in scale to OSU "smearing" MSU) by USC at Notre Dame, then losing agian at home to MSU. There's very little difference. Notre Dame has a tighter loss against a higher ranked team, and Michigan State has a win over someone who's ranked. Similar in scale? O$U won by 11. Not as close as a last second three point loss. If people want to look just at the record and not how ND got there (just because Pitt and Purdue are a combined 5-8 doesn't change the fact that ND destroyed them in their own places, and ND's two losses have come in overtime and with 3 seconds left in the game, both against ranked teams), then that is their business. Having watched every minute of all six ND games this year I feel there's no reason at all why ND cannot be considered a top 10 team. If we are going to credit ND's hanging with USC almost exclusively to a rivalry and to the home field, then where was this when Purdue and Pitt were getting smoked at home by ND and when UM turned the ball over three times in the red zone against ND? The OSU game was close til the end, the scale comment was in response to the hyperbole on your part. Of course Pitt and Purdue being terrible doesn't change the fact that ND smoked them. It does change the fact that smoking those teams implies that the winner is good. I never said to credit ND's hanging with USC entirely to homefield and rivalry, I said that it was part of the reason why I thought it was closer than I anticipated. It was never part of any analysis on my part towards ND. Right now Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue are 7th, 9th, and 11th respectively in the Big 10 standings.