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I was offered: Ian Happ, Kelvin Herrera, and Zach Greinke for Elvis Andrus and Chris Archer Points-based, H2H league. I get the most points in this scenario, but it leaves me with no SS. I'd have to pick up one (most likely Dansby Swanson or Brandon Crawford). Which also means I'd have to drop 2 players (to pick up a SS and a 3-for-2 trade).

I wonder if it has something to do his concussions problem and Bears want to help him out medical-wise? Maybe they're trying to still pay him while he doesn't play again and not retire until contract is up? Kinda like what baseball do with their injury insurance thing, I know Albert Belle for example still got paid a portion of his contract while he basically retired due to his hip. why give up a roster spot for that Because you have 90 of them right now.

And then what happened?

This offseason has been crazy. Wait til it actually starts!

Sherman isn't coming to the Bears, he wants to win now. I'd rather draft one of the CB's in the top 10 anyways. Guy who wants to win now is taking his 1st visit to the 49ers, who may be his last visit, being that it's near his hometown, near where he went to college, and has a DC he's familiar with from his Seahawks days.

I hope to god this is because they are close to a deal and not Pace being Pace (see Alshon) Hearing that they're going to let Fuller test the market and report back to the Bears with what other teams are offering and the Bears are expected to match anything not outlandish. For reference, this approached worked for the Bears with Lance Briggs back in the day.

There's a difference between him not having a ton of value and him not being a fit. The Bears basically have a top 10 RB and only owe him 1.4 Million over the next 2 years. I don't think he's a guy you re-sign in 2 years, but there's no reason to "sell high" on him. You won't get what he's worth, you'll most likely get a worse RB, and likely getting either a more expensive player in return or replacing him with a draft pick that you'll have to pay more (because you aren't waiting til the 5th for a starting RB).

He's a running back that is good at runningbacking, he fits the system. Yeah, too much is being made about Howard not being a good receiver. I think it's natural to project the former offense (Chiefs) on the Bears, but the Bears won't have a 4.25 WR (Hill), they won't have the best receiving TE in the league (Kelce) and they don't have a starting RB capable of catching 70 passes. But that's fine, because if the only way Nagy can have success is the replicate the KC offense, then he wasn't a good hire. He will be able to adapt, or he'll be out of a job in 2-3 years. If the system doesn't fit Howard, it doesn't mean something is wrong with Howard, it means something is wrong with the system.

Jimmy Butler might have just torn his ACL. If you're an NBA superstar that values his knees, you might not want to play for Tom Thibideaux.

Don't care what the trade chart says, there's 0 way I'm willing to go from 8 to the 20s and not get a 2nd first round pick. Yeah I wouldn’t do a deal with them for 8 without getting both picks in the 20s. Maybe something like 8 and the 2 4ths for both 20 picks and the third? Yeah, I'd probably do that. Bills got that 2nd first rounder this year by going from 10th overall to 27th. They got a 3rd last year and this year's 1st.

Don't care what the trade chart says, there's 0 way I'm willing to go from 8 to the 20s and not get a 2nd first round pick.

I don't think he was their top rated CB. He had the top rated single game of any CB (against Cincinnati), but looks like he was 22nd overall. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/kyle-fuller/8649 Also, yes there are plenty of good CBs. Malcolm Butler, Bashaud Breeland, Trumaine Johnson, and EJ Gaines, who are all similar level CBs last year. But I'd take Fuller over all of them due to age (slightly younger than all except a week older than Gaines) and we already know his fit in this defense unlike the others. I also love this CB class in the top 60 picks so I'd certainly be willing to double up at the position, with or without Fuller. That being said, Fuller will be back on a franchise tag.

Burton still has a pretty decent upside. He's been a productive #3 TE in Philly, despite Ertz gets a ton of targets as one of the top TEs in the league. And Celek has been the blocking TE there. Burton has made the most of his snaps. Only on the field for 26.5% of the offensive snaps, yet still caught 23 of his 31 targets and scored on 5 of those catches. His numbers obviously went up as his snap count increased. His 2 best games came when Ertz was out. But going forward, he's a good fit for the Bears. You have a developmental TE in Shaheen who may be a very good receiver eventually, but even when he gets to that point, he's not a guy that's going to threaten the seam and be able to line up in the slot and be a guy that can run the entire route tree keeping the defense on its heels. Shaheen is more of a guy that'll give you catches in the 5-12 yard window in the middle of the field. The Bears can certainly use a #2 TE, H-back type that can be a factor on 3rd and long. The hope is with more snaps, Burton could be a healthy Jordan Reed type of receiver from the move TE position.

Good list. These are the types of guys I want the Bears to look at. Teams usually regret star chasing in free agency in the NFL, unless they are at the point where they are that 1 star player away from being an elite team. I'd also add: Junior Galette- he's turning 30 and going to be 4 years removed from back-to-back double digit sack seasons. But he was one of the most productive pass rushers in limited snaps last year coming off injury. Should only require a 1 or 2 year deal for cheap. Jeremiah Attaochu- had 6 sacks in a limited role in 2015. Dealt with injuries the last 2 years and the Chargers moved to a 4-3 making him an odd fit. Just turned 25. Ross Cockrell- tossed aside by the Steelers after 2016 despite being solid. Above average (per PFF) for the Giants this past season. Kony Ealy- has had a pretty weird career. Slow start, then had a huge Superbowl for Carolina. Traded to the Patriots, who cut him soon after. But then had a decent season for the Jets. Only 26. Also guys like DaQuan Jones, Albert Wilson, Beau Allen, and Donte Moncrief are guys who could either start for a team or have a pretty prominent role for under the 5M per year mark. And if I'm a team like Jacksonville, NY Giants, Saints, etc. that has either an iffy QB or an old QB, I'd definitely bring in Teddy Bridgewater. He's one of my top graded QBs in the last 5 years and is still just 25. He can definitely play if he's healthy.

You forgot... 111. Chicago Bears (from ARI) WR Marcel Ateman, Oklahoma State Draft wire's 7 rounder looks like: 1.8: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech 2.39: WR Courtland Sutton, SMU 4:101: CB Anthony Averett, Alabama 4:111: WR Deontay Burnett, USC 5:136: OT Brandon Parker, North Carolina A&T 6:167: Edge Davin Bellamy, Georgia 7.198: DL BJ Hill, NC State Mix these and give me Edmunds, Kirk, Mata'afa, Averett, Parker, and 7th round Hill (1st is more accurate of where he's picked).

Going back to Canton this year! WOOOOO!

PFF has had him graded highly since he was a rookie. There's always been a big disconnect there vs. what the local media paints him as. This year he got to another level, though, and ranked as one of the best in the league (I think). Amos is kind of boring to the eye. He doesn't really make a ton of mistakes, which metrics love. He doesn't miss many tackles, completely blow assignments in coverage or fail to be in the right place in the run game. But he also doesn't make big flashy plays on the ball or completely shutdown receivers in man coverage. But he was clearly better in the latter this year based on the eye test, while maintaining his discipline elsewhere.

Ridley is a Bears fan and good friends with Eddie Jackson. He stated after they drafted Jackson last year for the Bears to "come get yo boy" too.

He's my current flavor of the week for the 8th pick. He could be Anthony Barr. Same type of size and it appears athletic ability on tape. He and a healthy Trevathan would be fun inside. Kwit in nickel with Edmunds potentially rushing off the edge or blitzing could be great. He's kinda opposite Floyd in that Floyd is a pass rusher that can do so much more that you don't want to limit him to just rushing off the edge. Edmunds is an off-ball, sideline to sideline LB that can do so much more that you don't want to limit him to just running and chasing RBs and TEs. I don't know if Fangio can make the most of him (he is kind of structured as a DC), but if he feel he can I'd be very interested in this pick. I also kinda feel like Pace could really go for the absolute best athlete on the board regardless of position. The big needs for the Bears are OLB, WR, CB, and OL depth. But I expect him to go heavy in free agency to the point where he isn't desperate for any particular position (kinda how he's done the last 3 years). Plus, the guys likely on the board at 8 at those positions are probably reaches (OLB, CB) or not top 10 values (Ridley, Nelson). In general, the Bears need to get faster and more athletic, and we know Pace likes athletic specimen. 2015 1st- Kevin White- ran a 4.35 at 6'3", 215 2016- 1st- Leonard Floyd- ran a 4.6 at 6'6", 244 (fastest time of any pass rusher) Obviously he picked a QB last year. But Shaheen was kind of a huge athletic freak also.

Terrible DPI call against Bouye on the TD before halftime too. I feel like that was Brady fishing for a PI too. Guy was blanketed and he just lollipops it up. Oh yeah and the pass went out of bounds AKA uncatchable.

Terrible DPI call against Bouye on the TD before halftime too.

I think most people think that about Fitzpatrick, but he'd project as a free safety and has literally never taken a snap at FS. He has played some strong safety, but mostly plays slot corner. On his snaps as an outside CB, he's been pretty good but just needs more reps out there. I think you put him on one corner to start, and see if he can handle it before moving him. I think he can. I have Alexander ahead of Ward because of his ability to handle bigger WRs. While there isn't a huge size difference (Ward probably slightly under 5'10", Alexander probably just under 5'11"), Ward had a tough time with Simmie Cobbs and other big WRs and Alexander had a strong performance vs. Clemson's Mike Williams last year.

I wouldnt hate getting the top CB in the draft Me either. Though I don't have Ward as the top CB. I think Fitzpatrick is a CB at least initially in the NFL, and he'd be excellent here. I also like Jaire Alexander from Louisville more than Ward, but he had injury issues in 2017 and I could see him being available maybe in the 2nd (though probably with a short trade up). If Ward was 5'11", I'd adore him. But he's probably sub 5'10", though he will likely run in the 4.3s. I wouldn't hate the pick at all, even at 8. I feel the Bears need to go big this offseason at one position on defense. Whether CB or OLB, an elite player at either position would set up this defense for a long time. If the Bears re-sign Fuller, they are a CB (and an Amos extension) away from having a really good secondary for at least 3 years. If they find an OLB, they'd potentially have a dominant front 5 if Floyd stays healty and one of Robertson-Harris or Bullard takes a step up (and I was impressed by the former a ton down the stretch).

Floyd's good. Had both seasons cut short due to injuries, but should be fine heading into 2018. Gotta get him some help. Not probably ever going to be a 12+ sack guy, but has proven to be better than expected setting the edge vs. the run and has been used in coverage a ton. Got a ton of attention from other teams this year with a TE or chip to his side quite often. Yeah, Vea's strictly a NT. That's Goldman's position. While he could use a viable backup (or play DE himself), the Bears do have some young talent under contract on the DL for next year. Roy Robertson-Harris and Jon Bullard both flashed at times this year and both are like 23. They'll probably add a DL at some point in the offseason but it won't be a high pick or a high $ FA. Agree on Davenport.

Catching up on the last page of this thread. Kyle Fuller MUST come back. I'd prefer a re-sign because the franchise tag is like 14 million, but bottom line is Fuller has to be back. He was a top 20 CB this year, I think some of the PDs will turn into turnovers. And he's the 2nd youngest free agent CB. I think it'll take a contract similar to the 5-year/$52.5Mil deal that Dre Kirkpatrick got last offseason. Maybe a little less like 4/40 ish, but that 5th year would definitely get him to stay in Chicago. And if you lose him, you'll have to pay as much to replace him, while getting an older player, and probably one that's not any better. Roquan Smith is a God. I wouldn't hate the pick at 8. Not a huge need, but he'd probably be the best player available on my personal draft board if it mattered. Connor Williams is pretty interesting. The value positions in the top 10 are QB, pass rusher, CB and OT. Obviously, the Bears aren't taking a QB. I don't know if any pass rusher is worth the 8th pick outside of Chubb, who will undoubtedly would be gone. I don't love the recent history of top 10 OTs, but Williams looks like the real deal. He was dominant in 2016. Had a couple bad games, got hurt, and then came back strong this year. But lost a lot of luster to most. I think he can be a really good OT and he's probably the only guy at one of the 4 positions I named that will realistically be on the board at 8 that I'd actually be Ok with. That being said, I'd love it if Arizona fell in love with a QB and wanted to move up to 8. I'd take that Buffalo deal too, but I'd hate to move that far down (though there would be plenty of ammo to move back up). The Bears do already have Arizona's 4th though. FWIW, with 15 from Arizona I'd look to take whoever is on the board between Ridley (WR), Jackson/Ward (CB), Marcus Davenport (6'7" OLB who I love) or McGlinchey (OT)