With Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin and Zook's players. I feel obligated to bring this up anytime Meyer's title is mentioned since Weis has been absolutely roasted for only winning with Ty's players (ignoring that a good portion of the ND depth chart is still Ty's, would be more if he'd bothered recruiting for his last two offseasons). Speaking of, Ty's only good season at ND's helm came with Bob Davie's players, yet another thing that is conveniently ignored when this discussion comes up. I'm not trying to say Weis deserves outlandish praise or anything of the sort. I'm just saying anyone who says ND is hypocritical for firing Ty and keeping Weis is ignoring about a hundred other facts. I agree that Weis shouldn't be fired. I'm not convinced Ty should have been fired yet - I think he should have been given another year - and I don't think Weis deserves to get canned. My main point was that the comparison to Urban Meyer is invalid. Meyer's recruits have also been very good players for the most part, Florida has yet to have a truly bad season - this year's three losses is their worst under Meyer. You mentioned he won the title with mostly Zook's players and that's true, but I guarantee you they don't sniff a national title without Tim Tebow - a Meyer recruit. They probably fired Zook too soon strictly speaking, but honestly I'm not sure what they were supposed to do. The entire fan base + alumni were screaming at them to fire the guy. The campaign against Zook reached legendary status, I'm not sure there's ever been such a concerted effort to get a coach canned. I view it as a situational thing. Zook wasn't right for Florida, the stakes are too high there from the outset and Zook is the kind of guy that needs to recruit his players, let them develop, and then hopefully win a few years down the line. That just wasn't going to fly in Florida, but a place like Illinois will allow that to happen since the Illini really couldn't have been any worse anyway. And plus, if Zook can put in 3 loss seasons regularly @ IL he'll probably have a job forever. If Meyer continues to put in 3 loss seasons, he'll be canned too just like Zook. That right there illustrates how different the two situations are.