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I don't advocate hitting a player but, I'm very much in favor of making Braun hit some dirt. A-hole wants to go out of his way to show up the opposition he then deserves every bit of getting knocked down. Right, I don't want to see him hurt but if he thinks he can do that without any consequences, then he's kidding himself, and Brewer fans are kidding themselves too. It's really as simple as that.

I still don't think it's worth nearly the scorn that Wojciechowski's hounding of the Bears all season in '06 deserves.

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Of course, the Rams & Pats are good examples of a starting QB going down, and still having a good season. But in general it doesn't surprise me when a team's power ranking drops through the floor after their top QB is put out for the year.

I really don't know if that is what happened. I'm just saying, it would be wise to rethink a strategy of "i'll completely ignore what my boss is saying" at work. It generally isn't a good idea. IF that is what happened.

I can't imagine that anybody had them 32nd following the 05 season, but I suppose anything is possible. Maybe it was before 05. He definitely had them No. 32 preseason one year where they were good. I would've picked them pretty low, too. Maybe not 32nd with that defense, but the team was terrible in 04, so there wasn't much to go on there. And they were going into the season with a rookie Kyle Orton having beaten out Chad Hutchinson for the starting QB job. The 04 team was ravished with injuries especially defensively and it was the first year of implementing Lovie's cover 2 system. I expected the 05 team to he much improved with grossman healthy (at least we thought at the time) and an outside shot at competing for a wild card spot in a weaker NFC. If it was in '05, then I would be interested to know if it was before or after the Grossman injury in preseason. Because there were many of us who figured the season was done after that moment. Maybe it was unjustified, but at the time Grossman was thought to have much potential, and it was completely wiped away in that moment. It turned out the defense was good enough to lift us to the playoffs, but I don't think it was completely out of hand to have the Bears picked low after we knew Grossman wouldn't be there. That's a projected franchise QB wiped off the map in one blow.

I'm not sure of Z's situation so I don't really know. I won't be handing any money to him, though certainly I don't want anyone to suffer a stroke.

I know. I challenge this team to not come out flat this time, like they did last time when they had the upper hand coming home.

Well, everything I'm hearing now is saying 3 weeks in a sling, then begin rehab. To me that means no surgery. So I don't know. I feel like I can't trust injury reports or timelines, not even a little bit. It's almost better to simply ignore them. He'll be back when he's healthy again, and we have to figure out how to hold this thing together without him.

I can't imagine that anybody had them 32nd following the 05 season, but I suppose anything is possible. Wojciechowski had a us tanking all season long, even through the playoffs. He even wrote a semi-apology article when it turned out we weren't going to be summarily dismissed in the playoffs.

I didn't know he had us 4th :) I'm with you. Some players who wind up getting taken out of the league could have been good players in a different situation. There have been plenty of cases of a guy sitting at the bottom of a roster who comes through elsewhere. And the opposite is true too. Eddie Royal? He could very well be still sitting on someone's depth chart. What about a guy like Welker? If not for being sent to NE, he could be beginning his post-NFL life right now. He sat around on depth charts for 3 years. Nobody had a clue about him.

Right. He even goes so far as to claim that not only are the Bears weak at receiver, but they have no chance of getting better. I mean come on, that's horsecrap.

You know, this is what guys like King always say. Then someone on the team steps up and becomes a solid WR. Face it, none of these guys are identifying who will become a solid receiver before it happens. How does anyone know if none of our draft picks will come through? How does he know that Bennett will automatically be a bust? Nobody was out there saying Berrian would be good, or Eddie Royal, or even Anquan Boldin before it happened. All these targets were a surprise to people out on a national level. They don't know what the hell is going on.

That's how I feel, too many holes in this team. There are issues with key injuries, shaky (at best) bullpen, lack of timely hitting, lack of general offense, and questionable defense. It's not a matter of wanting to jump ship, just wondering if you're even on a ship at all! Bullpens sometimes improve dramatically over the course of the season. It could happen for the Cubs. And fixing that bullpen would be a huge help. I'm not throwing in any towels, but I agree -- it's difficult to get past the present gloom and think about glory.

Agree. I am a little surprised that some Red Sox fans are gloating about this. I would be wondering how legitimate our 2 WS champs were or just saying that this issue needs to be cleaned up for the health of the players. To gloat because a former player got caught while playing for another team is just logically wrong. Surely they don't believe he just started using since joining the Dodgers.

I know. I'd love to have been able to play in the minors for a few years. Or a cup of coffee in an NFL training camp. But -- 29, he's exiting his prime years, and those years weren't all that special to begin with. I guess it just depends on what he wants to do.

You're right at the threshold, Hawks. Be sure and drive it home, K??? Let's kill these guys once & for all.

Also on the "not a good idea" list though: Pumping your fist at the opposing team's dugout every time you hit a homer, untucking your shirt and generally making an ass out of yourself rounding the bases. Does Braun really expect that the entire league will just ignore that? I mean -- they make sure they plunk Soriano if he watches his home run fly out and smiles too broadly. WTF does Brauny expect?

Life without Rammy is off to a wonderful start. What ever happened to rallying in the face of difficulty?

Just let him rot out there, give up about 15 runs.

The fact that I'm nowhere near a TV and can't actually see the team is my favorite part at the moment.

If Favre already has X-Rays of the shoulder then why not just share what his own doctor has already diagnosed? Surely the Vikings aren't the first people to be seeing these. Doesn't make much sense to me...

I've thought about it for awhile and come to the conclusion that we're screwed.

Yep

Suck me