Do we really have any idea how much more widespread greenies were/are than steroids/HGH? We have the steroid survey from 2003, I know, but to my knowledge we really only have subjective observation as far as the usage of greenies. To my knowledge, we don't. It has been speculated that the use of amphetamines in baseball has always been widespread. I think Tony Gwynn said once he guessed 50% of the players were using it to pep up for games. An 81 game road schedule is indeed tiring. It's cheating, no doubt. I just can't equate it with steroid use, the difference in effect is too great. Especially these regimen-supported programs some of these guys engaged in, where they have some kind of roid czar planning out hourly pill taking with different flavors of roids for different days, etc. The gulf between that and greenies? Grand Canyon. Yeah see that's where I question it. Seems like complete speculation. They're like concentrated NoDoze, man. They aren't even meth-level amphetamines. It's not speculation at all. There's a massive gulf.