Even reporters like David Haugh, and announcers like Tom Thayer have admitted that neither has been better than the other. Both have been pretty boringly "ok". They've had a few mistakes, they've had a few nice moments, but generally, they've both been meh. Neither is ahead of the other, though Haugh said if pinned down, he's say Orton's been better, but not in any significant fashion. Then Orton is better. I've heard Rex is a great practice QB, but an average to below average game QB. If he can't blow Orton out of the water in practice, he is the #2 QB. Also, stop saying that Rex is a game manager and Rex is not. Both have around the same TDs to INTs. A game manager doesn't throw 50/50. Now maybe Orton is better at managing the game now, but we don't really know that from experience. And stop saying that Orton is 12-3 or whatever as a starter. He was the worst starting QB in 2005. He was 12-3 in spite of his play. I remember that Sunday night game when Orton was QB and Rex came in. The offense starting clicking right away. The field was opened up. Naming a starter now is meaningless if they are still competing for the job. It's not childish, it's trying to counteract the overwhelming idiocy that runs rampant through the media and fans. The first preseason game is home, and inevitably Grossman will be booed. The 2nd game, when Rex starts, will be away, so he won't be booed. Kyle is a low risk low reward QB. As a rookie he was high risk, but he was a rookie. You can't really take a lot from that showing. I don't think it's the least bit inaccurate to think of him as more of a manager. Whereas, Rex is a higher reward QB with huge risk. As a veteran he's still shown nearly unprecedented disasterous tendancies. I think the Bears would like Rex to be their QB, if they are a comfortable that he can limit the disaster. I think they are willing to go to Kyle, if Rex either stops showing the upside, or keeps showing the downside. But they are forcing both guys to go through training camp, and the first two games with the same chance to start. I'm fine with that, and I don't really understand how anybody can't be. Sure, you'd like to have one starter you can count on. But the Bears don't right now. So there's no good reason to just name a guy for the sake of naming a guy and pretending there is no longer a QB competition/controversy. I happen to agree with every expert that we are totally screwed from a QB standpoint. Rex is the only chance we have, IMO. Orton is never going to take any team to the promised land. He has no arm, and he can't make any big plays. Rex can make big plays. He's also probably a good practice QB. That's because he can be quite good when there is no pressure. But of course, he has a weakness. Teams quickly learned that once he gets blitzed, his QB IQ goes into the toilet. He started shuffling he feet, stepping back, jacking the ball, throwing picks. The whole league seemed to figure it out 2 years ago, and carried it into last year. We can only hope that he and the Bears have figured out how to deal with defensive pressure. That's the only chance we have, because I think Orton to me is a known commodity- he sucks. Rex has actually shown that he can win games with his arm. Orton has never won a game for the Bears, he just kept them in it so the defense could win it. Unfortunately, I think we are screwed either way.