UMFan83

He's been there for about a week A week ago he was staring at singles off the wall and hitting HRs in Atlanta. I was thinking he was starting to slump, but then he went 2-5 on Saturday and hit a bases loaded double on Sunday.

You guys do know that Soriano was standing near the 3B line yelling at Soto to run home right? That's what MVP's do.

Even still...gotta wonder if they'd rather have had bases loaded 1 out 0-0 or runner on third 2 outs 1-0 had they noticed.

Not to sound too negative, but does anyone else get the feeling that Soriano is entering a bad slump?

Wow the Reds are pretty stupid. Who didn't see Soto in no man's land out there?

We aren't going to score this inning are we?

Phew, Brewers strand them loaded

C'mon DeRo...

Any given day in baseball...

wat?

Soriano's a G, and the team MVP, but why N, SBB hates him's a nother story The Cubs win with him in, and they lose with if he's not, he's beloved by all fans, DeRo cheers when he's hot. He's a streaky mo-fo, but he's got lots to show, what matters is clutch, and where he hits in the line up Sor-i-an oooo please win that tro-phyy for the cubbies... [cheers] If Alfonsooo ends up lasssstttttttt. I'll just use point-lessssss statssssss OMG that was brilliant

Fixed. Thanks for the post but it really doesn't matter. The fact they fail to see anything with regards to Sori and what his value is speaks to how clueless they really are. I gave them the team record and personal stats and it still doesn't register with them. No worries. You cannot argue coherently. I am sorry that this makes us clueless somehow. Honestly, mob mentality is a problem here, and yes a lot of arguments that "mobs" have used to tear down other people's unpopular arguments have come back to burn them. But this is a completely different case. It was a poorly constructed argument, you chose to ignore all rebuttals that refuted your point, and you basically hid behind one statistic that can loosely at best be related to your argument.

Well that was unnecessary.

Look all I know is that the Bears were 3-5 when he played and 4-4 when he did not. Oh wait wrong thread.

That's because Soriano wasn't in there though not because of DeRosa

time for a compromise: he should get consideration for left field MVP. are we all agreed? of the division? aw, hell.. not even... Of tonight's game.

No one is saying that you can't have that opinion. There are a lot of posters here that make unpopular arguments and don't get ripped to shreds. The difference is they can actually put forth an argument and address all counterarguments (I'm still waiting for a response to my first post in this thread).

Make an argument for why he's been more valuable than Albert Pujols, Lance Berkman, Chipper Jones, or Hanley Ramirez. I should've just limited it to guys on good teams, because we know what his response to a couple of those names will be. Chipper Jones should be the MVP, I'm pretty sure the team has been awful without him in the lineup.

He might not even be the MVP of the left side of the Cubs field. Not because Soriano is bad (he is very good), but Ramirez is pretty damn awesome. If only he could get hurt so we could figure out his true value.

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in? I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo! No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out. Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch: Lmao, so if a teammate and/or manager says that a team's best player was missed when he was out and they're glad to have him back, he's MVP? Then again, when Pujols was out, TLR and Troy Glaus said they were glad he was hurt because he's not a gamer and they would still be awesome without him. They were mad because Pujols refused to be a team player and use the pixie dust, because he wanted to do things naturally.

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in? I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo! No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out.

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in?

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said.

I change my pick, the Cubs are 48-15 when Marmol pitches in a game, and 28-33 when he doesn't. He should be baseball's MVP.

that's only because nobody hits a power hitter in the leadoff spot. if babe ruth's teams had let him hit leadoff, i'm pretty sure that soriano would have no hope of ever shattering every leadoff record. and, it should be reiterated that a leadoff hitter is guaranteed to hit leadoff a grand total of once every game. Ok, back to the team numbers. 50-20 with, 26-28 without. Explain this. Not a small sample size. Do you have any other statistic to use or do you plan on just ignoring every single argument that every other poster is giving you? The Cubs were 6-8 without Zambrano and 70-40 with him. I think Zambrano should be the MVP.