You never appreciate the value of a good closer until you get one as bad as this. We have had our share of bad closers (06 Dempster, 04 Hawkins, etc) and it never fails to enrage me. I just can't help but think of how dominant Marmol looked in the 8th and wonder what would have happened if they just used him in the 9th. they'd probably be down 4-1 going into the 9th and never need a closer. the problem is the lack of quality bullpen arms, not gregg. our best closer option has walked one man per inning. that's not a good sign. Lack of quality bullpen arms? I have infinitely more confidence in Marmol, Guzman, Marshall and Grabow than Gregg. I'm not saying all of them are awesome, but I think all 4 would have better results in the closers role than Gregg.