UMFan83

Burke is so clutch Why are the refs calling so many [expletive] ticky tack fouls when both teams are over the limit in a close OT game, jesus There have been at least 10 FTs shot in OT and none of them were from shooting fouls

And a 7 point lead quickly becomes a 2 point lead despite scoring on every possession in between

NOOO Don't send morgan to the line. Uh oh

Of course Minnesota just decides to hit contested off balance 3 pointers 2 feet behind the line 2 straight possessions. If they miss even one of them this game is over.

Tim "25% 3pt shooter" Hardaway Jr chucks up a contested off balance 3 and misses shocking

New life!

Unless you are from the future, there's still more than enough time for Minnesota to win right now. I for one have a horrible feeling, but im a natural pessimist.

Oh man Minnesota is going to have 1.2 seconds left to break my heart. Come on OT

Michigan forced 3 turnovers in a row and all they turned them into a rushed mid range jumper on the fast break missed, a wild out of control layup attempt on the break missed, and a missed front end of a 1 and 1. In a 4 point game, those are critical possessions wasted

Hardaway blowing the game again for UM. Guess that streak only lasted 2 games

Does Minnesota beating Michigan (up 7 with 3 minutes left) a night after beating Northwestern, get them back into the discussion? I don't know if a team with a 6-12 conference record should be in the dance, but supposedly they don't look at conference records. Edit: Whoops never mind, that was just a jinx

Minnesota has scored on 7 of their last 8 possessions, and has scored 17 points in those possessions.

This is like the Purdue loss. All the sudden the opponent can't miss.

Wow stop giving them wide open 3's So much for the 3 seed

And half their roster was suspended during the middle of the year. Does that count like injuries, or do we not give them the benefit of the doubt for causing fights in a game? I don't give them a bonus for that since it was self-inflicted. this

I gotta believe St. Bonnie is already eliminated. RPI of 95, best win was over St. Joes, has 3 100+ losses and 1 200+ loss Going into the conference tourney, I would think this was the A10 pecking order: Temple St. Louis Xavier St. Joes Dayton UMass St. Bonn Temple is still going to be 1st despite the loss, St. Louis is a lock (I think), Xavier is probably a lock with a win tonight and possibly out with a loss. UMass I think still has to get 2 more wins, their resume is pretty poor and their RPI is still in the 80's (higher than any at large team ever selected). St. Joe's is out unless some crazy [expletive] happens in the next 3 days. So here is my revised pecking order: Temple St. Louis Xavier Dayton St. Joe's UMass St. Bonn Although I think St. Joe's and Dayton are interchangable at the moment. Dayton has 3 more top 60 RPI wins (yes I am fudging the numbers to include #54 Xavier and #53 Mississippi), but has 2 awful +200 losses vs. 0 for St. Joe's. Temple - 100% St. Louis - 100% Xavier - 50%, 75% with win, 100% with 2 wins Dayton - 20%, 50% win win, 70% win 2 wins St. Joes - 30% UMass - 10%, 50% with win Dayton basically has some life here when I thought they were just about dead as recently as yesterday.

Indiana is 9 and Wisconsin is 14, which is a 5 spot drop. You don't think Wisconsin could jump 3 spots by beating a top 15 team or Indiana drop 2 spots? I guess the former is much more likely than the later, and at the end of the day its still just 1 game. I just imagined IU and Wisconsin pretty close together in terms of resumes so I figured if Wisconsin one they would be seeded higher, but of course I have to go by the established S-curve, not my own seedings. Plus Marquette lost, and Georgetown lost, and Michigan hasn't even played yet (and could end up with a worse loss by the end of the night). If Michigan wins, I have no problem swapping Michigan in the bracket with Indiana, and some minor shifting around on the S-Curve. I think the gap between #15 and #16 is big enough to where the top 15 as is in the bracket are safe as protected seeds. If Wisconsin keeps winning, then I think it's safe to discuss them getting bumped up a whole seed line (at the expense of either Indiana or Michigan, since the rules try to avoid conference opponents playing earlier than the elite 8 when there are fewer than 8 teams in the bracket). So, the way I see it, the top 8 are safe in the 1 and 2 seeds right now. The 9-15 teams are safe, but there's room for some jostling between the teams, mostly among the very similar Big Ten teams (as Marquette, Georgetown and Wichita State are done, and Baylor is going to be in their spot by default anyway no matter where they are on the S-Curve to preserve conference separation). Fair enough, that makes sense. This is my first time really looking this closely into NCAA seeding, so I'm probably being too reactive to one single game instead of adding that one game to a team's collective resume.

If it makes you feel better, you're are highest 3 right now. Though you'll probably drop a couple spots. IU? Or Michigan? According to what? I wouldn't consider them a 3. According to the NSBB created bracket.

I could see one of Marquette/Georgetown dropping to a 4, but I feel like Wisconsin has to beat MSU to really make that likely. Georgetown is only 7-5 in their last 12 games, whose losses include Pittsburgh, Seton Hall and Cincinnati. Their only good wins over that time period are UConn and Notre Dame. They havent beaten a top 30 RPI team since January 4th, although they have beat 3 in the 30-50 range since then. I know we're looking at the resume as a whole and the NCAA doesnt consider 'last 10 games', but Georgetown really hasn't played like a 3 seed for some time IMO. But to their credit, they are 8-4 against the top 50 and very few teams can match that, so basically I just talked myself in a circle.

Indiana is 9 and Wisconsin is 14, which is a 5 spot drop. You don't think Wisconsin could jump 3 spots by beating a top 15 team or Indiana drop 2 spots? I guess the former is much more likely than the later, and at the end of the day its still just 1 game. I just imagined IU and Wisconsin pretty close together in terms of resumes so I figured if Wisconsin one they would be seeded higher, but of course I have to go by the established S-curve, not my own seedings.

With the way things have gone the last 2 days, I think Michigan clinches a 3 seed with a win over Minnesota in a couple hours. According to Bracket Matrix, the current 3 seeds are Baylor, Michigan, Marquette, Georgetown. The 4 seeds are Indiana, Wisconsin, Temple and Florida State. Of the other 3 seeds, Marquette and Georgetown lost in their first conference tournament games. Indiana lost in the 2nd round of theirs and Temple was knocked out of their tournament as well that they should have cruised in. So if Michigan wins tonight and lost in the Semi's, that would be further than 4 of the other 7 teams got to, and the loss would either be to OSU or Purdue, with neither being bad enough to drop them to 4. I didn't look at the 5 and 6 seeds though so maybe if they won their conference tourney they could jump up to 3 and knock Michigan out. All and all, the results so far have been very favorable for Michigan's seeding purposes.

I'm assuming this is just where we stand this morning, and this thing will be revised to reflect today's games tomorrow? Already, I am thinking Wisconsin and Indiana flip seeds (or at least Wisconsin is a 3 and you have to decide between Indiana and Marquette to determine who deserves to drop to a 4 seed more), Temple drops completely out of the top 16, and Georgetown might as well, or at the very least drop lower in the 4 seed priority.

I am not completely sure of the rules, but I from what I know, we are trying to match the teams with cities they are closest to, with higher seeds having priority, correct? I agreed with most of it but here is where I differ: Marquette - Columbus, not Nashville. Marquette is about 100 miles closer to Columbus and there's still a spot open when it gets to them. Georgetown - Nashville, not Portland. At this point there is still a Nashville slot available, which is much closer to DC Wisconsin - Portland, not Columbus. Columbus is not available now, so they have to go to Albuquerue or Portland. I think Portland is slightly closer. The rest I agree with. Of course you might be reflecting what would be the revised standings since Marquette and Georgetown lost and Wisconsin is winning. I was just basing it off the s-curve bukie posted this morning. In that case, I'll have to redo.

Right...if you are going to compete in this year's Pac 12, you'd better have a good non-conference resume and avoid bad losses. Washington is not a lock for me

So UMass, St. Joe's, Dayton and Xavier are all still alive for at large consideration in the A10, but none of them are likely "in" at this point? and Temple and St. Louis are locks. Lots of decent but not great teams in the A10. Dayton/Xavier tonight is essentially an elimination game, although if Dayton wins, I still don't have them in, although Xavier I would.