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  1. Wilson A2000
    Yes I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it? Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice. I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity. I'm hardly "defending" it. What I am doing is asking how some activity can meet the definition of "cheating" if most everyone is engaging in it. Forget how some governing body defines cheating. I am asking the question in more of a broad sense. The problem is that the governing board is the only thing that matters in this case.
  2. Wilson A2000
    Which is why when the complete truth does come out, he will look bad. Does ARod think we are stupid? Professional athletes don't take anything trainers give them. This is the route Barry Bonds is taking, and I hope at his trial his is exposed so other athletes don't try and go this route.
  3. Wilson A2000
    Yes I dunno about that. Let's assume the vast majority (say more than 70%) of players used PED's in any given year. Isn't the point of cheating to gain an unfair advantage? Is the advantage unfair if everyone has access to the method and no one is punished for utilizing it? Yes cheating is getting an unfair advantage. 30% of baseball players did not have that advantage. Your train of thought punishes some people - the people that played by the books for doing what was right and not taking advantage of a situation where the league and the player's union decided not to do anything. They are the real perpetrators here. They share about as much blame as the players who were on the juice. I have never seen so many people defend illegal activity.
  4. Wilson A2000
    Barry Bonds was great before he took steroids. He was going to be in the hall. But he wasn't going to be arguably the best player to have ever played without the juice. Steroids created this Barry Bonds - the greatest player ever. Semantics. They didn't make him a great player. If you wat to argue that they made a great player greater, fine...I still don't see the "tragedy." Going from a top 10 all time player to the best ever and taking two of the biggest records in sports history with you is not semantics. His head, arms, chest, and legs would beg to differ with you.
  5. Wilson A2000
    Barry Bonds was great before he took steroids. He was going to be in the hall. But he wasn't going to be arguably the best player to have ever played without the juice. Steroids created this Barry Bonds - the greatest player ever.
  6. Wilson A2000
    Yes
  7. Wilson A2000
    Good point. By the way, the lady who wrote the article for SI personally talked to Arod before the article came out to get his side. He denied everything. She gave him two days to come out. He didn't, so she did.
  8. Wilson A2000
    Maybe as of right now, but longevity is key. He needs to stay injury-free.
  9. Wilson A2000
    What if Sabathia and Burnett were on that list. Should they eat 400 million to prove a point? No way. From the interview I just listened to on the Score, the lady who wrote the SI article had been working on a piece on ARod for a while. She heard rumors that he used to be on roids. She talked to some sources to follow through on those rumors. It didn't sound like she ever saw the list, but she wouldn't say whether she knew what other people on the list (which means she does).
  10. Wilson A2000
    There is no way ARod will be punished by baseball. MLB promised the players that. He could be charged with a federal offense though since steroids are illegal. He could also be subpoenaed to testify against Clemens or Bonds. Whatever list the reporters from SI got, was the type of drug that they took on the list, or just a number of players? My guess is that there is just a list, because ARod wouldn't have said that he didn't know what he took if the drug was attached no his name. Is there a black market list? The MLB cannot release the rest of this list. They promised not to. It shouldn't have gotten this far. I have heard that the MLB kept the list around and the samples from 2003 in order to check them at a later time to discover false positives once more technological advances sprang up. Boers and Bernstein made a good point - if ARod took steroids because he wanted to produce as the result of getting a big contract, what would he have done once he got to NY? But as it was stated above, his numbers have dropped off lately.
  11. Wilson A2000
    I always think pitches are too low, but when WGN uses the field level camera, the umps usually call it correctly. As OleMiss has shown, the strke zone extends to the bottom of the kneecap.
  12. Wilson A2000
    No. Wikipedia is a pretty trustworthy source. It is much better than it was a few years ago.
  13. Wilson A2000
    I take it all back. Everything. Hank was a user. http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/02/hammerin_hank_a.html
  14. Wilson A2000
    They were just made illegal two years ago. Strong coffee pretty much did the same thing. Coffee has been used for years. I doubt any homerun records were dismantled because of greenies. methamphetamines were made illegal 2 years ago? They've been illegal in the same way steroids were illegal in baseball from the moment they were criminalized in the US. And beacon of hope, Hank Aaron broke Ruth's record on the stuff. Truly a disgrace. It's a double standard due to back in my day-ism, and the fact that Bonds is a miserable jerk while Aaron is a lovable hero. You mean amphetamines, not meth. I doubt many players are on meth. I meant illegal in the sense that they would be formally punished. Do you really think Aaron hit so many home runs due to greenies?
  15. Wilson A2000
    The juiced ball theory is still being investigated according to wikipedia. It wouldn't surprise me if they were. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juiced_ball_theory
  16. Wilson A2000
    Me too. While he did do that, why is that more important than a roided Bonds who broke the most cherished record in modern day sports? Is a walk greater than a home run? this is the kind of talk that people are sick of. Someone clean will one day break Maris' home run record and they will do it using all kinds of supplements and video and things that Maris never had a chance to use. Will you still be upset about it? No, everyone will cheer about how great it is that we have this all-natural slugger when there's very little difference between what he will have done and what Bonds did. There will be a difference. The reason some things are illegal to use in baseball and some aren't is because the products that are later deemed illegal are those that have the greatest effect on performance. I highly doubt anyone will be able to use anything legal that increased a person's home run output by 20 home runs in a season like steroids did. The league will hopefully catch it before that happens. With that said, HGH is undetectable now because the league won't allow blood tests yet. Pitchers can use video too. Video is helping everyone. Steroids helped a few.
  17. Wilson A2000
    I really do hate the elbow pad. It is not that pitchers are afraid to throw inside. It is that if a ball gets just a little bit away from the pitcher, the hitter turns into it and gets firstbase. And it doesn't even hurt the batter because the pad absorbs it. A price should be paid for first base if you are going to lean in to a pitch.
  18. Wilson A2000
    If everyone was on roids, there shouldn't have been such a spike in the number of home runs hit in the late 90's and early 2000's. Isn't that the argument that so many people make - well the pitchers were on them too so who cares? It obviously helped the hitters more, or a few hitters more. When the punishment for steroids was formalized increased in the 2003 season, guys got smaller. People started hitting less home runs. Baseball players looked more normal. I realize that anomalies occur. Someone will break Bonds' records, even though it might take 50 years. But it is not an anomaly when a known steroid user at the end of his career has 3-4 of his best, record-breaking years. That is too much of a coincidence.
  19. Wilson A2000
    Me too. While he did do that, why is that more important than a roided Bonds who broke the most cherished record in modern day sports? Is a walk greater than a home run? Bonds took away one half of the plate. Knowing where the pitch was going to be made it much easier to hit. Add his knowledge of the strike zone and his armor might have attributed to just as many home runs as steroids did. No way. You can still throw the ball inside when a player crowds the plate. It is actually easier to jam a hitter when he does that. Bonds was no closer to the plate during the early 90's compared to the late 90's and early 2000's. He hit way more home run during the latter. His body armor might have increased in size, but crowding the plate did not give him 72 or break Aaron's record. His massive arms did. Arms have very little to do with hitting home runs compared with legs/core. It's not like these guys are just in the gym doing curls. Arms and legs and core. My bad. Everything on Bonds was big beginning in '99.
  20. Wilson A2000
    I was confused as to whether you were talking about steroids and baseball records, or how concerned the public was about them. You didn't clarify that until now.
  21. Wilson A2000
    Me too. While he did do that, why is that more important than a roided Bonds who broke the most cherished record in modern day sports? Is a walk greater than a home run? Bonds took away one half of the plate. Knowing where the pitch was going to be made it much easier to hit. Add his knowledge of the strike zone and his armor might have attributed to just as many home runs as steroids did. No way. You can still throw the ball inside when a player crowds the plate. It is actually easier to jam a hitter when he does that. Bonds was no closer to the plate during the early 90's compared to the late 90's and early 2000's. He hit way more home run during the latter. His body armor might have increased in size, but crowding the plate did not give him 72 or break Aaron's record. His massive arms did.
  22. Wilson A2000
    Probably because you didn't clarify what the "its" is. Is it the first of second half of your sentence? ("My point is that it's a thread about its effect upon records and integrity of the game because that's all people care about, which is misguided considering all the facts.")
  23. Wilson A2000
    Me too. While he did do that, why is that more important than a roided Bonds who broke the most cherished record in modern day sports? Is a walk greater than a home run?
  24. Wilson A2000
    I directly stated that I disagreed with your point. Just because I don't agree with your point does not mean that I don't understand it. I am not misguided because I think it is pretty certain that the average person and sportswriter does not care if athletes do illegal things as much as they care about illegal things as they relate directly and influence the sport (ie steroids). To focus on what fans and sportswriters don't really care about, while certainly a part of the overall steroid debate, is incidental. There has been 50 times more chatter relating to steroids than all of the other illegal activities that MLB players did last year (and there were plenty of them).
  25. Wilson A2000
    Athletes do way worse things than take steroids, and for the most part they are welcomed back into the sporting world when they serve their time by the public. Think of all the DUIs athletes get (which are worse than taking steroids if you ask me). When athletes do illegal things that directly effect the sport, they aren't welcomed back. Yes there is more to steroids than their effect on the sport, but that is not at all significant in the court of public opinion.
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