The point is that "looking for huge guys" isn't an accurate way of guessing who was and is using PEDs. Not everyone hulks out. When do you think Sosa started using? Sure, not everyone does. But Bonds did. That is really not debatable. Nobody has disagreed with that point, so I have no idea what you think you're arguing. So his power and build increase from 1993-1997 was just one of those things? I never said everyone gets huge after PED's, but you asked me how I knew Bonds got big and I said 25 lbs of muscle in one offseason and that most everyone in the Giants organization put two and two together was plenty of evidence. When Sosa went from 36 to 66 home runs and had gotten huge rather quickly, something was up. I said he could have started PED's before 1998. Probably did. But I'm certain he was on them in 1998. Of course, Sosa was on pace for 52 HRs in '96...And '97 was his worst HR rate since he was 24 yrs old in 1993