No more ignorant than saying Self can't coach. Ask most people who the top all-time programs in CBB are, you'll hear Duke, UK, UNC, IU, UCLA, KU. Rarely will you hear UI. That's what makes them a 2nd tier program. One of these things just doesn't belong here, one of these things is just not the same. Smack-talk from the fan of a team whose best season is a runner-up finish. You can pretend all day KU isn't one of the premier CBB programs. Doesn't make it true. Your definition of 1st tier programs seems to be based on history, and I can't think of a single non-Kansas fan who would put Kansas in the same class as UCLA, IU, UK, Duke, or or UNC. Nevermind that making a tier of programs based on what they've done over the past 100 years or so rather than what htey're doing now is pretty lame. If we're talking present tense, yes, KU is on the 1st tier, as is Illinois.