SouthSideRyan

Steve Stone demands that Mark DeRosa be tested.

Cardinals are playing 500 ball since May 6th.

Best case comp I can think of for Hoff is Ross Gload who returned a live armed project in Sisco.

Might want to pick up a math book. 4 starts in arizona and 3 more in iowa is 7 total. On a normal 5 day roation thats a wopping 35 days. That is early to mid August and thats your worst case scenario (if he has turned the corner). Best case is a week or two after all-star break. Pitch a game or two in Arizona then get the break to reevaluate and look over his starts then a couple starts in Iowa. If all went well he would be back a week or two after all-star break. However I'm going to count it as a fluke session and not count on him at all. That way if he does turnaround its a huge bonus rather than the alternative of getting my hopes up and then being disappointed. You think worst case scenario....I think that's best case. He's been in the minors for 2 months now. He's not gonna prove he's perfectly fine in 3 starts as was suggested earlier. And you might not want to be an ass. 7 starts on a 5-man rotation is 35 days, add in 5 more in that scenario that it would take for him to pitch in the majors, that's 40. Add in probable off days and you're looking at a month and a half, which takes you to mid-to-late August. Add in the Cubs could have 7 capable starters by then, and why waste 1 or 2 starts in the final week(s) in August when Hill can be a Sept. call up. yeah, but if he is a september call up...he won't be able to be on the playoff roster right? Essentially anyone in the organization by August 31st winds up eligible for the postseason roster due to manuevering with the DL. For example, Geo wasn't called up til September last year, but made the postseason roster by replacing the DLed Blanco(or Pagan, or whoever) Same thing with Kevin Hart over the DLd Prior(or again whoever)

The fact that Lou keeps batting Johnson vs. righties, and considers DeRosa as his altenate suggests that Murton has no future with this team. I'd imagine he'll be back out there against lefties. It is annoying how they've outright stopped letting him hit righties.

There's several issues with Burnett. 1) He hasn't been any better than Jason Marquis this season. Could he suddenly get better moving to the NL? Probably. How much better? Unknown. He's got great career numbers, but he hasn't shown any consistency this year. In his last 7 starts, he's given up 2 runs or less in 4 of them, but in the other 3 he's given up 8 runs a start. 2) He has an opt out clause after the season. So if he's good, the Cubs lose him. If he stinks, the Cubs have to keep him for 2 more years at 12 million per year. 3)He does still have that long injury history, so even if he is good, he could get hurt the day after the trade. Of course the main positive is that he has proved that at times, he has been a very dominant pitcher. Is that worth all the issues? Maybe. I certainly wouldn't trade Hill to go get him though. I'd rather take the risk on Hill suddenly finding it than gamble on Burnett suddenly finding it, especially since Burnett's gamble if gone wrong also puts a significant dent on the payroll and requires us to also lose our only backup SS. Burnett only looks like he's been as bad as Marquis because Marquis has a great defense backing him up. They have similar HR rates, and Burnett smokes him at K/BB. I don't judge a pitcher solely on DIPs/FIP but when you have a glaring difference like there is for Burnett compared to Marquis I take notice. Burnett's never been this bad before and he's only 31. There's no reason to believe he won't be at worst league average the rest of the way and his peripherals point to him being much better than that. Best of all he's cheap. Cedeno + junk should get him.

Hoffpauir and McGhee won't bring anyone to the table. Nor will Hill at this juncture as anything more than a throw in. Gallagher, Marshall, and Pie would be a start.

Can you blame him? That was terrible So was ball 2.

The morons give a raucous ovation for not completely botching the play.

If Neal Cotts becomes a primary setup man we're gonna have some problems.

I (finally)dropped Rich Hill in fantasy a half hour before this topic was posted. You're all welcome

That sucked Aramis.

with stupid hair.

Bud Selig is a bad person.

I drive better when I've had a few.

I hope this Reed Johnson thing is happening just so he can get back into action right away after the injury. If he plays everyday til Soriano gets back, I'm gonna be pretty annoyed.

I say Edmonds goes deep off Looper.

If The Cubs are willing to take on the full salary for the last 2.5 years of his deal, we could probably get him pretty cheap, maybe for Ronny and Murton or Hoffpauir. I'm banking on Burnett opting out. I think Toronto's afraid he won't and they'll be "stuck" with his contract. I also think JP Ricciardi is kind of a moron.

If Edmonds promises to keep this up, I'm gonna buy a shersey of his and wear it to the next Cubs/Cards game just to piss people off.

I thought it was the other way around that Tracy was wasting time with a nobody like Duffy instead of McLouth.

I don't think Toronto is going to want nearly as much as people believe. I think they just wanna dump the contract, I think Ronny for Burnett might actually get it done.

Thanks to BR I found an OF http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/langebi01.shtml He's the only guy not listed in this thread in the top 50 of PAs. You can add Fukudome and I guess Murton as the 3 OFs.

Hire him as Rich Hill's personal coach. We'll only need to sign him to a 10 minute contract!

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This is really dumb in the way that I was figuring Sean was gonna be the big piece in a trade to get Sabathia/Harden and now we're killing his trade value. What's the problem with putting Marquis in the pen for a few starts? What's he gonna do about it? Sorry to put it that way Mr. G, but after crap like this I'd probably want my son in a different organization anyway.