I've found something to the effect of "please speak up, it's hard to hear you down in 4th place" can be pretty effective. Then you get to hear about 2006. Yeah, usually it's something about 1908. We were catching 1908 crap at the Orioles series we went to, in the last game when Baltimore killed Jason Marquis. It was kind of cute in a "we've never been relevant except for that one time our shortstop didn't sit out for 16 years" sort of way. From Orioles fans it's pretty funny....a little ironic maybe. From Cards fans though -- unfortunately they've won a World Series very recently. They can talk crap. Glad I don't have to live down there. Seriously, until 2006 I could just tell my friends, "And how many Cardinals World Series Championships have you seen?" Thanks Mets and Tigers...