cubfan1955

Joe West sucks!

Funny how the Cubs can't buy a homerun when the wind blows in but it doesn't stop the other team. Home field advantage BS.

Crap

Sweet! 8 pitches...3 out. :cry:

Nibbling at the corner on Konerko trying to get the K instead of going after him started all of this. Will he ever learn?

Setting up the DP?

In other news...DLee is moving to SS and ARAM will become the everyday catcher. :twisted: I really think Lou is screwing around with everyone. I really don't see them trying to make Dempster a starter. Even the Cubs couldn't be that stupid...could they?

DVD's will be extinct by then. :cry:

If they leave Soriano at leadoff (which Lou said they will when Lee comes back) then it's better to have Theriot in the 2 spot then Murton, and Murton in a middle of the order spot (5/6/7). Two things come to mind. One, I don't like Soriano leading off and have never liked the idea. Playing in the cavernous stadium in DC and hitting 46 homers and yet only having 95 RBIs is ridiculous. I don't really care at this point if he "prefers" to bat leadoff or not. I'd stick him where he would be most useful to the team. I don't believe leadoff is that spot. Two, Theriot could lead off with Murton batting 2nd and bat Soriano either 3rd or 5th.

In other words, the Cubs have been in the second most pressure-filled games when they hand it over to the bullpen of any team in baseball. This basically means that, compared to all but one team this year, the Cubs' bullpen has been placed in situations with little to no room for error. Even if the bullpen has been merely decent, with those kinds of situations constantly popping up, that's not good enough. Take it for what you will. Maybe the starters need to improve, maybe the lineup needs to do a better job, or maybe the bullpen could use an upgrade. Heck, maybe it's all of the above. The bottom line is, these tense situations in games handed over to the bullpen have magnified any flaws it has to a strong extent. That is interesting. I wonder how Rolaids sales are doing in Chicago? :lol:

That's almost too logical. Yeah, what was I thinking?

The one thing Murton does reasonable well, getting on base, and they still try to put in a power/RBI spot. How about batting him second and leaving it alone Lou?

The problem is not a lack of clutch relief work. The problem is the lineup and starting rotation aren't taking care of business enough on their own, so when the bullpen does falter, as all bullpens do from time to time, it's glaring. Other teams bullpens rarely falter when they face the Cubs. It usually looks like they are trotting Cy Young out there. Look what the Pirates relievers did in the 15 inning game. Pathetic. Agree completely about the lineup being the biggest problem and it has been for a long, long time. and the cubs bullpen stopped the pirates for 5 innings. Which proves the point our lineup is the problem and the bullpen can only do so much. At home against the Pirates and they can't muster one solitary run against the Bucs bullpen in 5 plus innings?

The problem is not a lack of clutch relief work. The problem is the lineup and starting rotation aren't taking care of business enough on their own, so when the bullpen does falter, as all bullpens do from time to time, it's glaring. Other teams bullpens rarely falter when they face the Cubs. It usually looks like they are trotting Cy Young out there. Look what the Pirates relievers did in the 15 inning game. Pathetic. Agree completely about the lineup being the biggest problem and it has been for a long, long time.

For the 999th time. I never said he wasn't. i guess when you started comparing him to Neifi, i just assumed that's what you meant. Okay, one last time. The comparison was not a comparison of Murton the player vs Neifi the player. The comparison was to illustrate just how unproductive Murton has been this year. At the time of the comparison their production was close to the same and Neifi had 19 ABs to Murton's 68. Yes, Neifis numbers were mostly the result of 1 game but no one wants to admit that Murton's was heavily influenced by one game also, in Saturdays game with the homer and 3 RBIs. I'm not saying Neifi is better than Murton. I'm not saying that Floyd is better than Murton. I think that Murton is pretty average and I wish we had someone better than him to play RF but at this point we really don't. He's had a good couple of games. I hope he keeps it up but wouldn't bet on it. I want the Cubs to win and am not leading some sinister plot to destroy the Cubs as I was accused of earlier in this thread.

I wouldn't necessarily consider your discussions in this thread to be rational. Give me a break...Murton simply is not as good as most around here thinks he is. Especially the dude that has started a church named Murton. I wish he were. We'd probably be undefeated. But hey, people posting on an internet board are much more knowledgable then people actually running the teams. LOL The lunacy of it all. Murton is far from great, but he's better than Floyd and that's the point. For the 999th time. I never said he wasn't.

I wouldn't necessarily consider your discussions in this thread to be rational. Give me a break...Murton simply is not as good as most around here thinks he is. Especially the dude that has started a church named Murton. I wish he were. We'd probably be undefeated. But hey, people posting on an internet board are much more knowledgable then people actually running the teams. LOL The lunacy of it all.

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs. It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son. Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones. Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come. Ruh roh, you just backed off! The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point. Nice try but you are wrong. I gave him credit for a good couple of games. So shoot me. It still doesn't make up for his poor play up until Saturday. Yeah he was good the last couple of days and all of his supporters are coming out of the woodwork. I'll be sure to come back and let you know when he has his next 0 for 4 and playing the outfield like a drunken sailor. Yes it does. Players have bad games all the time, and then they have good games, and that's how it goes. One bad game is as irrelevant as one good game. Outside of the one bad game, I can really only remember a young player not getting to bat more than once a game, and then only under extreme need scenarios. The strength in the Murton camp is that his career numbers are very good at this point, and the sample size is no longer small. I'm sure you will point out his next bad game as well, because your agenda is to ruin the cubs, or just to see them ruined. Playing the bronze statue of Floyd and Jacque Jones will cost us games, and that ruins the cubs. I'm not surprised you can't see that, from your ridiculous comments. Your flimsy arguments can't hold up to the fact that even if Murton isn't better than Jones, DeRosa, and Floyd (he certainly is), he should still get the starts. He's going to get better, the others are not. You should go debate something that you have even the slightest knowledge about, which is quite possibly anywhere but here. Note: For those keeping score at home, he's backed out of two opposing viewpoints now. Thanks for playing. You obiously have no interest in discussing anything rationally since Murton is a God to you and can never do any wrong in your eyes. And for what it's worth I'm simply a Cub fan wanting to see the Cubs win. No nefarious scheme to ruin the Cubs. The more you type the more ridiculous you get. Later...

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs. It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son. Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones. Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come. Ruh roh, you just backed off! The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point. Nice try but you are wrong. I gave him credit for a good couple of games. So shoot me. It still doesn't make up for his poor play up until Saturday. Yeah he was good the last couple of days and all of his supporters are coming out of the woodwork. I'll be sure to come back and let you know when he has his next 0 for 4 and playing the outfield like a drunken sailor. How bout when Cliff Floyd does? No problem. Psssst....I never said Floyd was better than Murton.

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs. It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son. Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones. Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come. Ruh roh, you just backed off! The easiest way to prove that you have no case is to back off the moment stats that make a lot of sense directly ruin your point. Nice try but you are wrong. I gave him credit for a good couple of games. So shoot me. It still doesn't make up for his poor play up until Saturday. Yeah he was good the last couple of days and all of his supporters are coming out of the woodwork. I'll be sure to come back and let you know when he has his next 0 for 4 and playing the outfield like a drunken sailor.

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs. It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son. Quick, guess who has the best OPS this year out of Murton, Floyd, and Jones. Hint: The answer is not Floyd or Jones He's had a couple of good games. I hope it is a sign of things to come.

Why, because it points out one of your corner outfielders is as about as prductive as Neifi Perez with about 1/3 of the ABs. It certainly ruffles the feathers around here to point out the flaws of the boards favorite son.

Thank you Phillie D.

Wild pitch, passed ball, AND a fielding error will score 3 more although the latter would require a hitter putting the ball in play.

Nice. We'll take charity though.