I'm not one of those people but I'd like to answer anyway... I'd say, "See Dusty, you fool. That's what you get when you don't force a player into a situation in which he isn't equipped to handle". Dusty is so stubborn within the last two years he has ruined two different players by forcing them into situations they couldn't handle. He keeps trying to pound that square peg into a round hole. No matter how much everyone else can see it ain't going to fit he keeps pounding away. Hawkins came over with the rep of being a very good setup man but that he couldn't close so lets force him into that closer role and even when it's obvious to a 3rd grader it isn't working lets do it some more. Same thing with batting Patterson leadoff and then doing it over and over and over. Then have about 8 different people telling him what to do at the same time all the while he's trying to face major league hitting and playing defense, running the bases. He was clearly overloaded last year by mid-season and NO ONE is going to tell me the decline of Corey Patterson is NOT the fault of Dusty Baker! The man is a menace in the dugout and I feel sorry for Murton and Cedeno if they have one bad game. I wonder just how long it will take Dusty to ruin them also. Once we trade Walker for a bag of used balls maybe Hendry can bring back Delino DeShields and then Baker can bench Cedeno and Murton, Ramirez will pull his groin in the WBC and then they can bring Lenny Harris back to play 3rd. Dusty would have an orgasm with DeShields at 2nd, Neifi at SS, Harris at 3rd and then he can send out the French Connection to the outfield. (Marquis, Pierre, and Jacque) When the hell will the madness end? :x I know there was no way Patterson could return to this dugout with this group of coaches and the manager. We got rid of the wrong half of the problem though. Oh, and if he doesn't do well in Baltimore? It's still Dusty's fault for screwing him up beyond repair.