CubbieBum

Felipe Lopez is a better pitcher than 2/3's of our bullpen.

I don't give a [expletive] if you are a pitcher or not. You slide into 2nd when you are in the freaking 18th.

Dempster is worthless. I wish we just dump him even if we have to eat his salary.

I had Jimenez on a fantasy team so I was overly excited and made a new thread for this. Probably should be moved to the other games thread.

First in Colorado history from what I heard. He had 6 walks so it's not that great but still a no-hitter. Also had 7 strikeouts. http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=300417115

Board has been dead all day.

And 2 to Kosuke. Remember the good old days when Fukodome was among the league leaders in pitches seen per plate appearance? If he hits .300+ I could careless how many pitches he sees.

So as of this moment our top mostly everyday AVG guys are ... Fontenot - .375 Lee - .312 Fukudome - .303 SORIANO - .281 The worst ... Ramirez - .150

When it comes to SP I would rather be save than sorry. Then again I'm not overly confident in Gorz and we have an abundance of SP capable pitchers both in the bigs and a couple minors guys who could come up. Still though if Lou keeps him in and he 1. sucks it up 2. ends up really getting hurt, people would have gone crazy.

You mean he won't post a 0.69 ERA with a 0.615 WHIP and 752 ERA+? I agree. He will post a 1.69 ERA. The WHIP will probably stay the same though. :P

The way I look at it is this. We are above .500 even with our bullpen blowing three or four games. Our bullpen as of now I'm not sure can get any worse. So stick with what we got (except perhaps bringing up a guy from minors and sending down another) for now. Come trade deadline we should know what we have. If come trade deadline we still have one of the worst bullpen's but we are in 1st then I think we make a move, albeit nothing like the proposed Vitters for Bell. I want to keep our top prospects as I think we have couple real great players that will be coming up soon. The only way I make a move right now is, as someone else mentioned, another team is just wanting to completely dump a good arm such as Juan Cruz (be weird having him back).

It's not really on topic but I felt like posting this here. Status from one of my White Sox friends ... "Watching Juan Pierre play makes me hate Jackie Robinson." Gave me a chuckle.

I wonder if the girl in that photo thinks Oswalt's tractor is sexy

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0416/mlb_a_clemmens_65.jpg http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5098407 Looks like the prick may have been punched. One of his eyes looks swollen and bruised. good job detective Maybe I can get a job with the Milledgeville, Georgia police department.

Plus Andy started the thread and he doesn't have a great track record. I give him props on the OP though. Pretty funny.

Laws of the U.S. do not hold jurisdiction in the D.R. I'm not overly versed on this subject but I believe occasionally a foreign court will respect U.S. copyrights and trademarks but I highly doubt the D.R. will do that to a beloved son like Ortiz.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0416/mlb_a_clemmens_65.jpg http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5098407 Looks like the prick may have been punched. One of his eyes looks swollen and bruised.

Yes there is a need but in a 162 game season that we are 10 games into I bet there are other situations like today's thus sitting a struggling RP who has already warmed up and needs no-pressure situations as well is not the best idea. The "kids" are in the bigs. You get them easy work when you can but they should be treated as if they are made of glass. Don't waste pitchers who need work just to get the "kids" work. Grabow was up because we were down by 1 going into the our half of the inning. If we had been up from the beginning then I would hope a young pitcher gets the chance but that wasn't the case. Gee I wonder where I got that idea from. Oh wait it was from this post made just before your last.

wait are you saying that it's bad for a guy's arm to warm him up but then not pitch him in a ballgame. No. Someone said it wasn't a big deal that Marmol pitched because he only threw 14 pitches. Nuts&Gum said it is a big deal because he had to warm up. A couple pages before that he was complaining that we didn't sit Grabow after the Lee HR (don't think we had enough to time to get someone fully warm anyways) so we could use one of the struggling young arms. I was pointing out that because Grabow had already gotten fully warm you should just let him pitch because fully warming up is generally considered as being used whether or not you actually go in the game. Sitting him down would completely waste him. And it should be obvious to anyone the gigantic difference between wasting Marmol and wasting Grabow. This is twice now you've responded to my points as if both are the same circumstances. See my post directly above your last one Num&Nuts. The strain and workload for a pitcher warming up is the same thing no matter what circumstance. You are ignoring the point I am making and trying to act like it is something else (you seem to do this a lot). I agree the situations in using Marmol and Grabow are different. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how Grabow is not a pitcher who is worth saving the additional strain from actually pitching in the game, unlike Marmol, just so we can give some other pitcher who is struggling time. There is no need to essentially use up two struggling RP's when one will suffice. You disagree with that because you think getting Berg or some other young RP action in a relatively low risk situation outweighs completely wasting Grabow (even though there probably wasn't enough time to get another pitcher up and fully warm after Lee's HR). Fine. I and likely everyone else gets it. We disagree. That has been made obvious so stop trying to make it about some delusional argument about Marmol. The argument has nothing to do with Marmol other than your mentioning him in saying warming up is a good amount of work.

Agreed.

I think it is about how much the third Carlos is sucking.

wait are you saying that it's bad for a guy's arm to warm him up but then not pitch him in a ballgame. No. Someone said it wasn't a big deal that Marmol pitched because he only threw 14 pitches. Nuts&Gum said it is a big deal because he had to warm up. A couple pages before that he was complaining that we didn't sit Grabow after the Lee HR (don't think we had enough to time to get someone fully warm anyways) so we could use one of the struggling young arms. I was pointing out that because Grabow had already gotten fully warm you should just let him pitch because fully warming up is generally considered as being used whether or not you actually go in the game. Sitting him down would completely waste him.

Yes, because he also had to warm up. Agreed but that is also the reason why sitting Grabow after being fully warm would have been a bad idea. Grabow is nowhere near as essential as Marmol or getting the young arms some badly needed game time. Exactly why you allow him to pitch. He's not a great pitcher who you want to protect. You warmed him up so you should just let him pitch. Why waste two bad pitchers when you can just use one and save the other in case the starter blows chunks in game 2 or 3 and you need 4-5 innings out of your bullpen?

Can Jame redo his No. 17 pick because we no longer need a return man :P