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wuertz is getting screwed pretty bad right now. and i'm not even big on wuertz.

buying or selling...i'll trade with you!

No doubt, with the way they use minor league arms. I think they're reactive overall. A player gets booed -- send him out of town. Pick something the last world series team did and base your strategy around that for the year. And so on. It is very irritating that the philosophy seems to change based on whatever happened last. the worst part about the "lets copy what the most recent WS champ did" strategy is that they don't do what those teams actually did do to win (ie take walks, jack homers, have healthy starting pitching) but what, say, john kruk may have said they did. for example, he would say that the red sox won b/c of team chemistry and the white sox b/c of sac bunts and speed.

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many. The circumstances were different last year. This season, look at Marshall's first 4 starts compared to Hill's. Marshall gave up 4/4/2/0 ERs while Hill surrendered 5/5/3/7 ERs. It's no wonder he was sent down. Like I said before, I think Hill will get another chance but he certainly didn't take advantage of his opportunities. Marshall has been inconsistent but that's to be expected. Unlike Hill, he's shown some dominance on this level; In 8 of his 15 starts he's given up 2 or fewer runs. that's not true. marshall gave up as many runs in his first start as hill did in his first three extended outings combined. hill followed up 4 1/3 hitless innings of relief with two starts of two runs allowed each. i'm certainly not arguing that hill's been better than marshall, but hill has shown flashes of success. his overall numbers in '05 were hurt by two horrible outings. Let's just wait for Hill to win a major league game before we start to hype him up.. and on that note, i'm done w/ this discussion. I figured that would be the back breaker.. :lol: i'm ending because a) i'm not "hyping" hill and b) judging a pitcher based on wins is idiotic. it's not because you "won" or something, so don't get too excited.

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many. The circumstances were different last year. This season, look at Marshall's first 4 starts compared to Hill's. Marshall gave up 4/4/2/0 ERs while Hill surrendered 5/5/3/7 ERs. It's no wonder he was sent down. Like I said before, I think Hill will get another chance but he certainly didn't take advantage of his opportunities. Marshall has been inconsistent but that's to be expected. Unlike Hill, he's shown some dominance on this level; In 8 of his 15 starts he's given up 2 or fewer runs. that's not true. marshall gave up as many runs in his first start as hill did in his first three extended outings combined. hill followed up 4 1/3 hitless innings of relief with two starts of two runs allowed each. i'm certainly not arguing that hill's been better than marshall, but hill has shown flashes of success. his overall numbers in '05 were hurt by two horrible outings. Let's just wait for Hill to win a major league game before we start to hype him up.. and on that note, i'm done w/ this discussion.

eyre and howry are getting a lot of $ to pitch mop up innings.

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many. The circumstances were different last year. This season, look at Marshall's first 4 starts compared to Hill's. Marshall gave up 4/4/2/0 ERs while Hill surrendered 5/5/3/7 ERs. It's no wonder he was sent down. Like I said before, I think Hill will get another chance but he certainly didn't take advantage of his opportunities. Marshall has been inconsistent but that's to be expected. Unlike Hill, he's shown some dominance on this level; In 8 of his 15 starts he's given up 2 or fewer runs. that's not true. marshall gave up as many runs in his first start as hill did in his first three extended outings combined. hill followed up 4 1/3 hitless innings of relief with two starts of two runs allowed each. i'm certainly not arguing that hill's been better than marshall, but hill has shown flashes of success. his overall numbers in '05 were hurt by two horrible outings.

really? stunning.

If Hill was struggling a "Little" he'd still be pitching in the Bigs. i'm not going to have the hill argument for the 1000th time. he pitched 20 innings in '05 and 20 in '06. he had two terrible outings in '05, but he also had three good to great outings of more than four innings. i've never said he's cy young, all i'm saying is he deserves a better chance than the ones he's received.

I think todays performence was actually good. The Defense and the Offense let him down in a big time way today... nine baserunners (though one hit should have been an out) in 4+ innings isn't very good. How many base runners have Radke had today? Are you saying he's not impressive also today? he certainly wasn't impressive early on. he's been better the past couple innings.

At least Marmol and Marshal has shown some sort of talent and poise. Hill has no poise, walked the world, and just was flat out awful with a 9 ERA. era of 5 = talent and poise era of 9 = flat out awful got it. Oh c'mon! I'm not going to sit here and bring out all the stats of every start of these pitchers. You watch the games as much as I do, if you can honestly say that Hill has impressed you, then knock yourself out. hill's 100+ AAA innings have been nothing short of amazing. that's impressed me. i'm not foolish enough to make a judgment based on a few bad big league innings.

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many.

I think todays performence was actually good. The Defense and the Offense let him down in a big time way today... nine baserunners (though one hit should have been an out) in 4+ innings isn't very good.

At least Marmol and Marshal has shown some sort of talent and poise. Hill has no poise, walked the world, and just was flat out awful with a 9 ERA. era of 5 = talent and poise era of 9 = flat out awful got it.

the cubs really need to start limiting marshall's innings. whether that means putting him on strict pitch count or skipping him when they get the chance, it needs to happen. he's never thrown more than 100 innings in a season, and he's on pace to go well over that. and he's really sucked his last three times out.

That play between Walker and Nevin was awful. it's just tough for dusty to win with this young team.

i'm pretty sure it was only speculation. hendry's terrible, but he's not that bad. even if he was, there's no way the reds would have done the deal anyway, so i don't know why that rumor gets so much play around here.

brenley sticking it to the cubs right now.

wow, today's game is setting new highs (lows?) for ineptitude.

dusty's teams always have good fundamentals.

has this ever been verified as true?

speed kills!

is anybody arguing differently?

man, pierre is the most overrated player in baseball.

That ball shouldn't have been dropped to begin with. ya think? he still didn't need to cut it. don't know if it would have got him or not, but there was no need to cut it.