yeah basically for every guy in the card system there are 20 guys in another system who don't turn out to be great players at age 30. I know. This is why I said he's an extreme example. But he certainly seems like a late bloomer. The only way to find out is to give him a chance in the bigs, and he certainly deserves to at least be on the 25 man. Difference is, Hoff looked good in his first stint in the major, when he actually had some at bats. The second time around, he was basically a seat filler. I remember when Dubois and kelton first came up. Dubois looked OK at first, and kelton looked like garbage. Again, he could be a Ryan Ludwick. I really dont know his defensive skill set, only that hes primarily a first baseman whose played a bit of outfield. If he ever has a shot to make it, it will be somewhere else.