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I've never thought the sports media left the Bears out of conversations. It's been the same conversation since I became a follower from another city, but it's still part of the conversation.

This is how you announce the firing of somebody that everybody apparently hates

What rookie? The Bears dont draft QBs with 1 notable exception. I doubt they use a draft pick on a 3rd round QB or something. They should but they wont I think this is a sign they're going to trade up into the front half of the 1st for a guy. Dalton is going to be to like Mac Jones what Glennon was to Trubisky. Or what Ryan Fitzpatrick has been to like a half dozen guys. But why does Dalton's presence matter in this scenario? He's not better than Foles. He's older than Foles, and no more accomplished. Unless Foles told the team he's retiring there is absolutely no point in this signing.

horsefeathers it. Bring back Trubisky, AND draft a QB and make this summer the kicker competition all over again.

how does this make you feel better? Dalton can earn up to $13m

So many people keep saying this doesn't stop them from making a trade. I don't get how. Unless you somehow include Dalton in the trade (can you even trade a newly signed free agent?) or release him, that's a $40+m QB room. But why would Dalton even sign with the Bears if there was a realistic shot he'd be pushed aside in a week or two anyway?

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down. You better be booing

Dalton to the Bears for $10m. Terrible

take it to the My Dog is Getting Old Thread

Say what you will about Ryan Pace, he is not afraid to move on from guys that aren't working out with the team.

Okay Mike Tannenbaum

I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources. As opposed to what? Foles and a draft pick? Really depends on the type of draft pick at the end of the day too, but any QB room with Foles as the presumptive starter is bad. Sooo... Yea they are only going to have a good QB room if they hit on a draft pick or catch lightning in a bottle. Any QB room with Dalton as the presumptive starter is bad. Dalton is bad. At least with just Foles and a draft pick you can use that cap space and roster spot on a player that would contribute. Dalton adds nothing. If he's somehow replacing Foles, fine. But I have no idea how that would work. If you aren't getting a good QB, then go cheap and use the money on football players. Foles, Dalton and a draft pick still leaves you with no good QB but a much more expensive room. It's an idiotic plan.

Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears. Well at the very least maybe it's an incentive deal situation. I guess we'll wait and see. But there are pretty well known Bears bloggers on twitters railing on the idea of Dalton at any cost or making the very bad sunk cost argument about Foles. Even if Dalton costs high end backup money that's only so bad in the grand scheme of things and idiots acting like now it's the straw that breaks the bakc with Pace? Like what the hell? I really don't think people would just now come to the conclusion that Pace is bad because of this bad move. Every bad move is the last permissible bad move in most people's eyes, but they aren't the camels, George is the camel. They are absolutely right to criticize a Foles, Dalton, Draft Pick 2021 QB room because that is an absolute misuse of resources.

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate. That's very reasonable, we all think it so and it probably should be so but, with this ownership, who knows. The cagey way they handled the "did pace sign an extension" question is still so odd. It would make a lot of sense to actually give both of those guys contracts through 2023. In the middle of a pandemic and a down year they would not be expecting a big raise. You can keep your HC/GM contracts reasonable, then give these two an honest shot at figuring out the QB position together preferably through the draft. 2021 would be a season that has to look better on offense. Even if you go 8-8 and miss the playoffs, depending on how you do it could give George faith in their ability to keep taking steps forward. The public wouldn't accept extensions after this year, so you don't announce it. But "quiet extensions" do happen. If they horsefeathers the bed entirely for 2021, you can make still cut bait. But this would set up 2022 as the year Nagy and a new QB has to put up numbers, and anything other than a confirmed franchise QB means a house cleaning and a new regime starting fresh in 2023. I'm still believing the McCaskeys are desperate to find stability at GM/HC after years of turnover and would be willing to put off the house cleaning to the last possible moment once they are sure Nagy isn't the guy.

I'm not entirely convinced these guys have a 1 year mandate.

Given the cost of what the other options off the board have gone for, I'm honestly not in love with any option off the board. If I could step into the contract/trade terms of the other guys who've moved I don't think I would. Granted if Dalton gets like 10M. BOOOO. But I'll hold out some hope it's a averaging backup deal if it goes down. Why would Dalton intentionally sign with the Bears for backup money? If he signs with the Bears he would see himself as the likely starter and a QB who believes he is the starter isn't signing for under $10m. If he sees himself as a backup to a better guy he'll take that with a contender, but that makes no sense to happen with the Bears.

Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench. Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management. There's definitely a cost where Dalton is not a terrible misuse of resources. Fact is Foles really doesn't look that viable even if they're kind of stuck with him. And they aren't in a draft spot to have much certainty about that option. The options that a Dalton woild give them is worth something. Now I am a little worried if he's being signed on day 2 of FA what that cost is and that it will be too much, since there are still a couple other options out there. So while I'd much prefer Pace to wait out the QB market some, it has hlgone quicker than I anticipated and it ultimately comes down to cost IMO. Dalton at $3m is fine, but that isn't happening. Dalton is a little more than a year older than Foles and for some reason people are pretending he hasn't sucked balls in recent seasons. He had a good run in his 20s and is trash now. There is no point in signing Dalton with Foles on the roster. Now if there is some weirdo team that wants Foles as part of a trade that allows the Bears to acquire more picks or something, okay, wheel and deal and keep that QB shuffle moving. Who cares? But Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is bad management, and you cannot go through this draft without picking a QB somewhere.

I choose to assume Dalton's name is being floated for negotiating purposes.

I don't know if it's the Wilson rumors having gotten people's hopes up, but Foles, Dalton, and a draft pick is... A totally reasonable expectation for the QB room having gone into this offseason. And we don't even know what Dalton will cost. I've seen way too many "I don't care if it's only $3M" takes on Twitter. No really 3M for a backup QB is fine. Granted knowing all that I'd have looked towards 2021 as a reset year which doesn't appear to be Paces intent, but like, literally people on Twitter claiming this will have them officially done with Pace. Foles, Dalton and a draft pick is a terrible misuse of resources. It's perfectly fine to go with crummy vets and a draft pick, it's absurd to spend that much money on vet backups while presumably investing a high pick on a QB who will be sitting the bench. Dalton as a bridge guy on his own is fine. Not ending up with Wilson and settling with bridge QBs plus a pick is fine. Wasting a roster pick on a redundant vet and spending the cap space on that redundant vet is bad management.

If they're not getting a good QB, Dalton is actually probably a decent Foles redundancy, since they obviously aren't resetting/rebuilding. Id much rather get Mariotta at that point.

Speaking of things one shouldn't be doing.

Roy Robertson Harris is a Jag

Did anybody read the Adam Jahns "mini makeover" columns on The Athletic? He has them trading Robinson for Darnold and a 3rd/4th. Spinning Darnold and that 3rd with two 1s for Wilson and a 5th. Then drafting a WR with the first pick in 2021 (2nd). Only way this works is if Seattle actually wants Darnold. But it does leave the Bears with a number of mid-draft picks an the ability to move some around to either grab a 3rd rounder they want earlier than they'd otherwise get, or potentially add to the 2022 draft surplus.

The Bears will not be signing Cam Newton, he is going back to the Patriots.