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  1. The problem is, what strong well known offensive mind is going to want to come to Chicago with the organization seemingly in chaos. Lovie is essentially the GM and the coach as it has come to light that he's influenced draft selections in the past and now gets to have a say in the interviewing process for a GM. If anything, the Bears have bungled the firing of a GM. I don't see how this organization is in chaos. The sky is falling columnists are going to seize on this, but this is a team that can win today. It's got stable ownership and a pretty clear power structure. You could say they were in chaos a couple years ago, and they went out and created a coaching staff with 3 former head coaches in assistant roles. They aren't skimming off the bottom of the barrel. They may not have the pick of the litter but any confident OC should love to have the opportunity to run the offense on this team.
  2. I'm not crazy about Fisher, but at this point I'm desperate for any change in the Bears organization. Does anyone really think that a new GM will keep Lovie around for long? While I view Lovie as a good coach, I think hes horrible on gameday and won't ever completely get away from the tampa 2 defense. I dont want to see that defense with an old LB core. So while Fisher is similar to Lovie in terms of career records, I think he'll be able to bring a much needed change in terms of philosophy. His gameday drawbacks can be mitigated with a real OC now that he has a real QB. I hated the field position, punt whenever possible and never try and score in a 2-minute situation style they played when it was all defense. But Lovie has loosened up in that regards with Cutler on board. He trusts Jay to get him points. He leaves a lot to be desired in the unnecessary timeout/challenge department, but he gets the guys to play every Sunday. The Bears need to change what they do when acquiring OL and WR, but they don't need a complete overhaul. This isn't St. Louis. They won 8 games in a horrible season.
  3. How exactly? Not going to bother getting specific but I'm pretty high on the guy and think he'll be a pretty good CF. I do fear he's got a bit more bust in him than some may think, but I like the guy.
  4. Are you paying attention at all? There are floors for prospects, there are ceilings for prospects, and there are likelky projections for prospects. Me saying his floor is lower than 3 WAR is not me projecting him to suck.
  5. What the hell? Screw you man. Oh I see you deleted your asinine comments. It's not semantics. A prospect has a floor and a ceiling, to suggest Jackson's floor is being a 3 WAR CF is extremely optimistic and not at all realistic.
  6. Yeah, a floor is a floor. There's no way his is a 3 WAR season. The fact that Drew Stubbs hasn't sucked in the majors yet doesn't mean Jackson's floor is his career.
  7. Spaeth has been in the league for 5 seasons and the most receptions he's had is 17. The ship has probably sailed when it comes to hoping he can be a solid receiver.
  8. He's still have to deal with the same issues in Boston, and he'd have a much better financed primary rival, another very rich rival, and a very smart rival. He doesn't have those issues in Chicago and it was pretty clear he was going to leave there eventually.
  9. Brett Jackson has a 3 WAR floor? yeah, i think that's safe to say look at Drew Stubbs: even a paltry .251/.325/.406 career line (aided by a favorable homefield) and average glove alone makes you a 3 WAR player in CF is there any reason to assume he'll fall noticeably short of that plateau, offensively or with the glove? fwiw, Bill James has BJax projected for .251/.333/.434 right now I think his extreme strikeout issues at least stand a chance of causing him to have a lower floor. He could blow. Not in a Tyler Colvin sense, but still, pretty bad. A projection isn't the same as a floor.
  10. Brett Jackson has a 3 WAR floor?
  11. Would be perfect. I hate to get my hopes up, but the forcing the GM to keep Lovie leads me to believe McKenzie is the target. Well, unless they give him another extension this offseason, which would be completely unwarrented, they are really only forcing him to keep Lovie for one year. And any GM brought in to a team over the course of an offseason is going to be inclined to keep an already signed head coach/defensive staff anyway, especially if that side of the ball hasn't been the issue. If they hire a GM sometime in early February, that guy won't have the time to put together an entirely new staff of his own choosing, and most GMs don't necessarily go into their job with all of "their own guys" anyway. Head coaches are often at least equal with GMs, and often hold a little more power than them. I doubt they will force the new guy to keep Lovie in perpetuity, it's most likely a short-term thing. And that's fairly standard in the NFL, where the head coach and GM relationship is much different than MLB.
  12. I think he's played the good soldier, but is itching to get a real OC in here to work with him. I think he talked about wanting to stay in the same system for the same reason most people in sports say they want the people who are here to stay here, to avoid rocking the boat. My fear is the Bears screw this up by thinking Lovie is more important to the Bears going forward than Jay is, and going overboard to find a guy who will do what Lovie wants. But I think they view Cutler as the franchise QB they've never had and are getting serious about taking advantage of his presence. Many of the things that have probably pissed off Jay contributed to why Angelo and Martz are gone. Knox being their de facto #1, no offensive line protection, no real receivers, no more Olsen, etc. But the Bears saw what happened when Cutler went down. They don't have to treat him like Peyton Manning yet, but they have to know the benefits he provides and the need to surround him with talent, both on the field and in the booth.
  13. This seems far more complicated than it has to be. It sounds like you want a future OC to come in and apprentice under Tice who will be running (but not calling plays) a dumbed down version of Martz's offense. I'd much rather just have a new OC come in and start bonding with Jay today. I want to start catering to his needs as well, and I think he needs his long-term, or at least potentially long-term, offensive coordinator brought in to the program today. He may not want a new offense this year, but one way or another he's going to get one because Mike Tice is not Mike Martz, or anything even close to him. As for his biggest motivator to stay, it's going to be money and hopefully the potential to continue a relationship with whoever the OC that is hired this year. Cutler's best chance of making the most money is to start winning ASAP with the Bears. They aren't going to allow him to get to free agency unless he sucks or gets hurt, and in that case, he's not making much money as a 31 year old. Keeping Tice around to sort of run the system that Martz ran is just delaying the inevitable, which is a new system being installed.
  14. I would be surprised. He's signed for 2 more years at very big money. I don't see them giving him another year right now just to convince some other guy who will make a fraction of his salary to sign with them. He's got 2 years and the explicit backing of ownership. There's no need for such an expensive gesture, which would by no means be just a token.
  15. Yeah that's how I feel. The only possible ways around this are either getting a guy with an offense Jay is familiar with or bringing in a guy at OC who is going to survive if Lovie is canned in the near future. At least the latter way wouldn't mean 4 of 5 years with a new offense. Or a guy who runs an offense that you can reasonably expect will be similar to the potential next guy. I see no reason to force Tice into the role. He's almost certainly not the best candidate available. And his background is more west coast offense than Martz. That situation just screams "self fulfilling prophecy of failure" to me. You have to go get a real OC who can run a real offense and potentially be connected at the hip to Jay for the next 6-8 years. Lovie has 2 years on his deal and if the Bears have any sort of decent season next year he's going to be around more than a season. He could easily get another extension before the next season ends.
  16. then call me ignorant because cutler throwing was the key the whole time and remains the key. Without cutler they can't do anything, regardless of forte or no forte
  17. That wasn't the only thing you wrote. But like I said, if you claim you weren't critical of Martz for calling too many passing plays, fine. It's a pointless discussion now.
  18. I was replying to you and all the others ripping the Martz supposedly overly pass happy offense. I think you implied strongly you thought the Bears were passing way too much and that just doesn't make any sense to me. I never ripped Martz being pass happy. I ripped him for his playcalling and playcalling only. I know you won't re-read the thread because you don't want to be proven wrong, but I never once said Martz passed too much. I'm not sure how what you wrote wasn't in-line with what others were saying about not running enough, but if you say so, fine.
  19. I was replying to you and all the others ripping the Martz supposedly overly pass happy offense. I think you implied strongly you thought the Bears were passing way too much and that just doesn't make any sense to me.
  20. I think you are grossly underestimating how the passing game was progressing while Cutler was still in there, and how vital it was to winning the next few games and contending in the playoffs. Going conservative wouldn't have helped them.
  21. ? Is this an online thing? http://www.csnchicago.com/live_bears Thanks. I just clicked on this link to see if they had the whole thing up and the whole CTL crew is chit chatting about their kids and nannies and angelo
  22. Not everybody measures the value in the same way.
  23. Illinois sucks at football and has for a very long time while Michigan and OSU have dominated their conference, that's probably why. I understand that. I am a MSU fan, we have probably been even worse than Illinois in my lifetime and we have a real rivalry with Michigan...but many of us MSU fans still cheer for Michigan and OSU in bowl games Really? I'm not a fan of either but in my mind Illinois has been worse. Seems like they've had an awful lot of 1, 2, 3 win seasons while MSU is usually at least mediocre. Illinois seems to be in a group with Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana and Wisconsin as teams that where stuck at the bottom for a while in recent decades. MSU is also used to being 2nd fiddle in their own state, while Illinois probably feels like they should be among the big boys.
  24. They are right, but I don't want to hear it. that's my feeling
  25. Illinois sucks at football and has for a very long time while Michigan and OSU have dominated their conference, that's probably why.
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