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Dontrelle or Marquis

Hasnt Cammy sucked in the OF the last two years?

peyton [expletive] manning

im curious if we lose by more than 2 td's.

i swear to len this better not end up another abuck vs CubfaninCA Hill/Anti-Hill thing. The last one was awful.

I kind of picture Dusty as the Unfrozen Caveman Coach when it comes to the bullpen. "What? There is a writing utensil made out of a cow? How is this possible? I am just a cave man, I do not understand your ways."

This is a good point. And, having played baseball and still playing soccer as a keeper, I can relate to what you're saying about defense (as you can as well). You know what you're capable of, physically and positionally. But, sometimes you're off your game, or you're just completely stopping everything. A little bit of luck and a little bit of confidence can make a difference. In soccer, the rest of your defense plays a pretty big role -- but so does the pitcher in baseball. If everything is placed correctly, you look great. Likewise, in soccer, if your defense is positioned correctly and covering the various angles, you look brilliant. (Or if your defense deigns to *listen* when you are calling out a far post run, or trying to place the wall... Have I recently mentioned that my team doesn't listen well?) I'm convinced people in a wall take the job too seriously. That is they take on the mental capabilities of one when they are in one. Left means left. All of you. Move to the left. Right would mean to the right, you know the whole right and left thing? And, by the way, I'll tell you when to stop, don't stop after moving three inches to the left. When I call stop, it also means that you don't join the wall on the right and screen your keeper. Moron, go cover someone on a run. Ugh, no kidding. Wall positioning is one thing that I do not miss about soccer.

Why the hell would a bunch of Cardinal fans come to a Cubs board to bitch about home cooking. This thread deserves to be stickied as a reminder of what not to post.

thank you so much oh venerable raisin

I dont have my midseason BA top 100 around anywhere, does anyone have that list handy? I'd liek to see who was rated above the Jackson/Quentin two headed monster.

It may be speculation, but it isn't idle. There is no definitive way to know it, but that doesn't make it unworthy of exploring. Numbers are a good guide, not a be all and end all. If there's no definitive way of knowing, why bother exploring it? If there's no answer, there's no use for the question. What are you going to do? Have Bruce Miles ask Prior if he is afraid to pitch to Barrett? Please, it's a waste of time. You're not much on philosophy, are you? When you are using it as an arguement against a player without any proof that it is actually true I do have a bit of a problem with it. Have you ever heard one of the Cubs pitchers in the last two years say that they don't like to throw to Michael or that his defensive abilities sometimes worries them and decreases their effectiveness? I asked what if a pitching staff doesn't like to throw to a catcher even though he can hit. I'll change it to read that. Now, what would you do as a GM? I never said the Cub pitchers didn't like throwing to Barrett. If you are a gm, and you know for a fact that your pitchers hate throwing to your catcher, you replace him. If the catcher is so bad that the pitchers are complaining about him being behind the plate, then you either have the whiniest pitching staff ever, or you have a catcher who is complete garabge. If your catcher is that bad behind the plate, chances are his overall contribution is going to be less than league average.

It may be speculation, but it isn't idle. There is no definitive way to know it, but that doesn't make it unworthy of exploring. Numbers are a good guide, not a be all and end all. If there's no definitive way of knowing, why bother exploring it? If there's no answer, there's no use for the question. What are you going to do? Have Bruce Miles ask Prior if he is afraid to pitch to Barrett? Please, it's a waste of time. You're not much on philosophy, are you? When you are using it as an arguement against a player without any proof that it is actually true I do have a bit of a problem with it. Have you ever heard one of the Cubs pitchers in the last two years say that they don't like to throw to Michael or that his defensive abilities sometimes worries them and decreases their effectiveness? No, and I haven't heard any of the Cubs be quoted for attribution saying that patterson sucks, although I suspect a lot of them share that opinion. But you can tell Patterson sucks by looking at the numbers. You're complaining about Barrett by pulling stuff out of your ass. There's a huge difference.

What exactly does that have to do with whether or not the pitchers are afraid of pitching to Barrett again?

It may be speculation, but it isn't idle. There is no definitive way to know it, but that doesn't make it unworthy of exploring. Numbers are a good guide, not a be all and end all. If there's no definitive way of knowing, why bother exploring it? If there's no answer, there's no use for the question. What are you going to do? Have Bruce Miles ask Prior if he is afraid to pitch to Barrett? Please, it's a waste of time.

I think that's idle speculation. There's no way to know whether they think that or not, so why even bother? Why not just look at the numbers that we can? Barrett is a slightly below average defensive catcher, and an above average offensive catcher. The overall product is one of the top catchers in the game, whether the pitchers are afraid to throw to him or not.

Isnt his rate like 97/100? That's barely below average. I would argue that our team defense is bad because of the combo of Aramis/Nomar/Hollandsworth/Dubois that we've been running out there all year, not because of a slightly below average catcher.

I'd give up Williams+any prospect (maybe not Pie) for Quentin. It's going to take a lot more than just Williams to get a player like Quentin. Seriously, if the DBacks did that, just contract the team now.

This is ridiculous. Why are people that mention his less than stellar defense totally ignoring his offensive advantage? If you'd take an average bat/good D, why not take good bat/average D?

I figure now that fantasy basketball is opened up, I'll start a fantasy basketball league too. If anyone from here wants to join, let me know.

We would have to add in someone incredibly significant to get that deal done. Williams for Quentin straight up gets Hendry laughed off the phone.

Okie state

I was going to say that even Dusty couldnt keep those guys out of the line up, but Tony Clark's season would have bought him 3 or 4 more years in a Dusty line up.

Oh, I was actually going to say that, but then I figured that no one could be [expletive] enough to make fun of OU when they go to a school that barely fields a D1 team.

is about to or has been all season?

What was it? Sorry, OU sucking this year has really depressed me.