cbbryan

Here's his Wrigley Field stats (career): http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=floydcl01

I think you're wrong. I remember who wore those numbers, but I have to think about it for some. And I've followed the Cubs more closely over the past 25 years than most Cubs fans. The number isn't nearly as important as the name. I think the uproar is silly. I remember the names and not the numbers. I know Sammy is 21 because of the jersey I own but after that, I don't really know any of the old timers' numbers. But I know who Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, etc. are. And that's the point I've been trying to make. If you need to know the number to remember the player, then obviously the fan didn't follow the players' career, or the player wasn't worth following. Great players should be honored, NO DOUBT, but retiring numbers is not the option, I would use. Again, and I hate to beat a dead horse. The issue is not whether or not teams should retire numbers. The issue is that sports franchises in the 3 major sports in the US have set this as a honorary token of respect and gratitude to the GREAT players AND that with that in mind #21 for the Cubs should not be worn again because of the contribution of said player (Said player is Sammy Sosa for those of you that only know names and not numbers!).

No problem!

Giants signed first basmean Ryan Klesko, who had been with the Padres, to a one-year contract. Klesko turned 35 in June, so he now fits the Giants' minimum age requirement. If healthy, he'd be a substantial upgrade over Rich Aurilia at first base against righties. The Giants, though, probably won't go with a platoon right away. They've suffered through way too much of Lance Niekro the last couple of years even though they've had better options against righties.

Retired Uniform Numbers: The pinstriped flags atop the left and right-field foul poles represent the retired uniform numbers worn by four of the greatest Cubs. On August 22, 1982, Ernie Banks became the first Cub to have his number retired. The fabled number 14 flies from the left-field foul pole at Wrigley Field. On August 13, 1987, the Cubs retired Hall of Famer Billy Williams' number. The number 26 flies from the right-field foul pole. On September 28, 2003, the Cubs retired Ron Santo's number. The number 10 also flies from the left-field foul pole. On August 28, 2005, the Cubs retired Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg's number. The number 23 flies from the right-field foul pole. To honor legendary Cubs broadcaster Jack Brickhouse (1916 - 1998), his famous phrase "Hey Hey" is now affixed on both foul poles. Roof Flags: Flags adorn the upper deck roof to commemorate various special events in the history of the Chicago Cubs. Left Field Roof 1906 World Series - Cubs vs. White Sox (Sox win series 4-2) 1907 World Series - Cubs vs. Detroit (Cubs win series 4-0-1) 1908 World Series - Cubs vs. Detroit (Cubs win series 4-1) 1910 World Series - Cubs vs. Philadelphia (Athletics win series 4-1) 1918 World Series - Cubs vs. Boston (Red Sox win series 4-2) 1929 World Series - Cubs vs. Philadelphia (Athletics win series 4-1) 1932 World Series - Cubs vs. New York (Yankees win series 4-0) 1935 World Series - Cubs vs. Detroit (Tigers win series 4-2) 1938 World Series - Cubs vs. New York (Yankees win series 4-0) 1945 World Series - Cubs vs. Detroit (Tigers win series 4-3) 1984 National League Championship Series - Cubs vs. San Diego (Padres win series 3-2) 1989 National League Championship Series - Cubs vs. San Francisco (Giants win series 4-1) 1998 National League Division Series - Cubs vs. Atlanta (Braves win series 3-0) 2003 National League Championship Series - Cubs vs. Florida (Marlins win series 4-3) Right Field Roof JR - 42 Jackie Robinson, MLB retired number 1997 (50th Anniversary) HAWK-8 Andre Dawson, 1987 - 1992 PKW Philip K. Wrigley Owner, 1932 - 1977 HACK-190 Hack Wilson, 190 RBI in 1930 FJ-31 Ferguson Jenkins, 1966 - 1973, 1982 - 1983, Hall of Fame 1991 SAMMY-66 Sammy Sosa, 66 Home Runs 1998 KW-20 Kerry Wood, 20 Strikeouts May 6, 1998 MADDUX 300 Greg Maddux 300 wins

Clemente was far from the first Latin American player. He did great service work, but he didn't break down any 'barriers' that I know of. True, but his accomplishments in baseball coupled with dying in an airplane crash on his way to help victims of a natural disaster is definitely noteworthy. If he was flying to Vegas for a long weekend of partying, that might be another story. Well, the majority of players are active nowadays in the community. Whether it be there own charity, i.e. DLee's foundation. So, do we retire every number of a player that gives time and money to charity. If so, we'll run out of #'s a whole heck of a lot quicker. Maybe we should just go back to the deadball era and have no numbers at all!

I understand fully why teams "Retire numbers," but I don't agree that they should retire numbers. The number on the jersey didn't make the player as great as he was....it was his ability to play the game. Said player made the number famous, not the other way around. The ONLY number that should ever be "RETIRED" where Jackie Robinson, Larry Doby, and Roberto Clemente for not what they did as ballplayers(that would be gravy), but what they did for the game of baseball, and the significance of breaking down barriers of social equality and fairness, not to mention humantiarian efforts. Those are the ONLY numbers that should legitimately be retired. These great players should have something done for them for their contributions to the franchise and baseball, but IMO, retiring numbers shouldn't be the options, because sooner or later we are going to run out of numbers to be worn. Bottomline: The number a'int retired. The Cubs have no plans to retired the number. If Jason Marquis wants the number, the Cubs can't do anything about it, outside of making a suggestion, which I doubt they would offer. (and if they don't make the suggestion, it doesn't mean they are "classless".) Neither can the fans who can only identify players by the number on the jersey, instead of their names. I guess we can agree to disagree. You continue to say that we should remember the players names, not their numbers. I would venture to say that all Cub fans know who #10, #14, #25, and #26 are. We've established that. We've also established that Cub fans know who wore #31, #8, #17, and so on. So I don't see how your argument is that we remember their # and nothing more. What this basically comes down to is you don't like the process that sports franchises in general have decided to practice in order to honor greats. I think it's amusing that your argument also included the post that Sammy wasn't even that good with the Cubs (outside of 6 years)! He has shoe-in HOF #'s and they were all basically with the Cubs, yet you question whether he's worthy in the first place. Let's just agree to disagree.

Alas the NHL. These guys don't know that retiring #'s is stupid either. They don't know that "it's just a number!" What a shame. [/sarcasm] Listing by number 1 Ed Giacomin - New York Rangers, March 15, 1989 Bernie Parent - Philadelphia Flyers, 1979-10-11 Jacques Plante - Montreal Canadiens, October 7, 1995 Terry Sawchuk - Detroit Red Wings Glenn Hall - Chicago Blackhawks 2 Doug Harvey - Montreal Canadiens, October 26, 1985 Tim Horton - Buffalo Sabres Al MacInnis - St. Louis Blues, April 9, 2006 Rick Ley - Hartford Whalers Eddie Shore - Boston Bruins 3 J.C. Tremblay - Québec Nordiques Ken Daneyko - New Jersey Devils, March 24, 2006 Bob Gassoff - St. Louis Blues Lionel Hitchman - Boston Bruins Al Hamilton - Edmonton Oilers 4 Jean Béliveau - Montreal Canadiens, October 9, 1971 Barry Ashbee - Philadelphia Flyers, 1975-04-03 Bobby Orr - Boston Bruins Scott Stevens - New Jersey Devils, February 3, 2006 5 Bill Barilko - Toronto Maple Leafs, 17 October 1992 Aubrey Clapper - Boston Bruins, 1947 Bernie "Boom Boom" Geoffrion - Montreal Canadiens, March 11, 2006 Rod Langway - Washington Capitals Denis Potvin - New York Islanders 6 Irvine "Ace" Bailey - Toronto Maple Leafs, 17 October 1992 7 Phil Esposito - Boston Bruins Howie Morenz - Montreal Canadiens November 2, 1937 Rod Gilbert - New York Rangers, October 14, 1979 Yvon Labre - Washington Capitals Ted Lindsay - Detroit Red Wings Rick Martin - Buffalo Sabres Neal Broten - Dallas Stars Bill Barber - Philadelphia Flyers, 1986-03-06 Paul Coffey - Edmonton Oilers 8 Bill Goldsworthy - Minnesota North Stars, February 15, 1992 Frank Finnigan - Ottawa Senators, 1992 Cam Neely - Boston Bruins Barclay Plager - St. Louis Blues 9 Johnny Bucyk - Boston Bruins Clark Gillies - New York Islanders, 1997 Gordie Howe - Detroit Red Wings Gordie Howe - Hartford Whalers Bobby Hull - Chicago Blackhawks, December 18, 1983 Lanny McDonald - Calgary Flames Maurice Richard - Montreal Canadiens, October 6, 1960 10 Ron Francis - Carolina Hurricanes, January 28, 2006 Guy Lafleur - Montreal Canadiens, February 16, 1985 Alex Delvecchio - Detroit Red Wings 11 Gilbert Perreault - Buffalo Sabres Mark Messier - New York Rangers, January 12, 2006 Mark Messier - Edmonton Oilers, February, 2007 12 Stan Smyl - Vancouver Canucks, November 3, 1991 Yvan Cournoyer - Montreal Canadiens, November 12, 2005 Dickie Moore - Montreal Canadiens, November 12, 2005 Sid Abel - Detroit Red Wings 15 Milt Schmidt - 15, Boston Bruins, March 13, 1980 16 Henri Richard - Montreal Canadiens, December 10, 1975 Bobby Clarke - Philadelphia Flyers, 1984-11-15 Marcel Dionne - Los Angeles Kings, November 8, 1990 Pat LaFontaine - Buffalo Sabres, March 3, 2006 Brett Hull - St. Louis Blues, December 6, 2006 17 Jari Kurri - October 6, 2001 18 Dave Taylor - Los Angeles Kings, April 3, 1995 Danny Gare - Buffalo Sabres, November 22, 2005 Denis Savard - Chicago Blackhawks Serge Savard - Montreal Canadiens, November 18, 2006 19 Bill Masterton - Minnesota North Stars, 1987 Bryan Trottier - New York Islanders, October 20, 2001 Steve Yzerman - Detroit Red Wings, January 2, 2006 21 Michel Briere - Pittsburgh Penguins Stan Mikita - Chicago Blackhawks 22 Mike Bossy - New York Islanders, March 3, 1992 23 Bob Nystrom - New York Islanders, April 1, 1995 24 Terry O'Reilly - 24, Boston Bruins, October 24, 2002 25 Thomas Steen - Winnipeg Jets, April 1, 1994 30 Rogatien Vachon - Los Angeles Kings, February 14, 1985 Mike Vernon - Calgary Flames, February 7, 2007 31 Grant Fuhr - Edmonton Oilers, October 9, 2003 Billy Smith - New York Islanders, February 20, 1993 32 Dale Hunter - Washington Capitals 33 Patrick Roy - Colorado Avalanche, 28 October 2003 35 Mike Richter - New York Rangers, February 4, 2004 Tony Esposito - Chicago Blackhawks 66 Mario Lemieux - Pittsburgh Penguins 77 Ray Bourque - Boston Bruins Ray Bourque - Colorado Avalanche 99 Wayne Gretzky - Edmonton Oilers, October 1, 1999 Wayne Gretzky - League-wide, November 22, 1999 Wayne Gretzky - Los Angeles Kings, October 9, 2002

NFL Anyone? AFC Baltimore None Buffalo Jim Kelly 12 Cincinnati Bob Johnson 54 Cleveland Otto Graham 14 Jim Brown 32 Ernie Davis 45 Don Fleming 46 Lou Groza 76 Denver John Elway 7 Frank Tripucka 18 Floyd Little 44 Houston None Indianapolis Johnny Unitas 19 Buddy Young 22 Lenny Moore 24 Art Donovan 70 Jim Parker 77 Raymond Berry 82 Gino Marchetti 89 Jacksonville None Kansas City Jan Stenerud 3 Len Dawson 16 Abner Haynes 28 Stone Johnson 33 Mack Lee Hill 36 Willie Lanier 63 Bobby Bell 78 Buck Buchanan 86 Miami Bob Griese 12 Dan Marino 13 Larry Csonka 39 New England Bruce Armstrong 78 Gino Cappelletti 20 Mike Haynes 40 Steve Nelson 57 John Hannah 73 Jim Hunt 79 Bob Dee 89 New York Jets Joe Klecko 73 Joe Namath 12 Don Maynard 13 Oakland None Pittsburgh Ernie Stautner 70 San Diego Dan Fouts 14 Tennessee Earl Campbell 34 Bruce Matthews 74 Jim Norton 43 Mike Munchak 63 Elvin Bethea 65 NFC Arizona Larry Wilson 8 Patt Tillman 40 Stan Mauldin 77 J.V. Cain 88 Marshall Goldberg 99 Atlanta Steve Bartowski 10 William Andrews 31 Jeff Van Note 57 Tommy Nobis 60 Carolina Sam Mills 51 Chicago Bronko Nagurski 3 George McAfee 5 George Halas 7 Willie Galimore 28 Walter Payton 34 Gale Sayers 40 Brian Piccolo 41 Sid Luckman 42 Dick Butkus 51 Bill Hewitt 56 Bill George 61 Clyde "Bulldog" Turner 66 Red Grange 77 Dallas None Detroit Dutch Clark 7 Bobby Layne 22 Doak Walker 37 Joe Schmidt 56 Chuck Hughes 85 Green Bay Tony Canadeo 3 Don Hutson 14 Bart Starr 15 Ray Nitschke 66 Reggie White 92 Minnesota Fran Tarkenton 10 Cris Carter 80 Mick Tingelhoff 53 Jim Marshall 70 Corey Stringer 77 Alan Page 88 New Orleans Jim Taylor 31 Doug Atkins 81 New York Giants Ray Flaherty 1 Tuffy Leemans 4 Mel Hein 7 Phil Simms 11 Y.A. Tittle 14 Frank Gifford 16 Al Blozis 32 Joe Morrison 40 Charlie Conerly 42 Ken Strong 50 Lawrence Taylor 56 Philadelphia Steve Van Buren 15 Tom Brookshier 40 Pete Retzlaff 44 Chuck Bednarik 60 Al Wistert 70 Jerome Brown 99 Reggie White 92 St. Louis Bob Waterfield 7 Eric Dickerson 29 Merlin Olsen 74 Jackie Slater 78 Jack Youngblood 85 San Francisco John Brodie 12 Joe Montana 16 Joe Perry 34 Jimmy Johnson 37 Hugh McElhenny 39 Charlie Krueger 70 Leo Nomellini 73 Bob St. Clair 79 Dwight Clark 87 Seattle "Fans/the twelfth man" 12 Steve Largent 80 Tampa Bay Lee Roy Selmon 63 Washington Sammy Baugh 33

Listing by number 1 Billy Meyer - Pirates Pee Wee Reese - Dodgers Bobby Doerr - Red Sox Fred Hutchinson - Reds (manager) Ozzie Smith - Cardinals Richie Ashburn - Phillies Billy Martin - Yankees 2 Red Schoendienst - Cardinals Nellie Fox - White Sox Tommy Lasorda - Dodgers (manager) Charlie Gehringer - Tigers 3 Babe Ruth - Yankees Earl Averill - Indians Bill Terry - Giants Harmon Killebrew - Twins Dale Murphy - Braves Harold Baines - White Sox 4 Luke Appling - White Sox Earl Weaver - Orioles (manager) Duke Snider - Dodgers Ralph Kiner - Pirates Lou Gehrig - Yankees Paul Molitor - Brewers Mel Ott - Giants Joe Cronin - Red Sox 5 Brooks Robinson - Orioles Carl Barger - Marlins (club president) Lou Boudreau - Indians George Brett - Royals Johnny Bench - Reds Hank Greenberg - Tigers Joe DiMaggio - Yankees 6 Steve Garvey - Padres Stan Musial - Cardinals Al Kaline - Tigers Tony Oliva - Twins 7 Mickey Mantle - Yankees 8 Willie Stargell - Pirates Joe Morgan - Reds Yogi Berra - Yankees Gary Carter - Expos Cal Ripken, Jr. - Orioles Bill Dickey - Yankees Carl Yastrzemski - Red Sox 9 Ted Williams - Red Sox Reggie Jackson - Athletics Minnie Minoso - White Sox Enos Slaughter - Cardinals Bill Mazeroski - Pirates Roger Maris - Yankees 10 Sparky Anderson - Reds (manager) Dick Howser - Royals (manager) Phil Rizzuto - Yankees Andre Dawson - Expos Rusty Staub - Expos Ron Santo - Cubs 11 Carl Hubbell - Giants Jim Fregosi - Angels Luis Aparicio - White Sox 12 Wade Boggs - Devil Rays 14 Ernie Banks - Cubs Kent Hrbek - Twins Larry Doby - Indians Ken Boyer - Cardinals Gil Hodges - Mets Jim Bunning - Phillies 15 Thurman Munson - Yankees 16 Hal Newhouser - Tigers Ted Lyons - White Sox Whitey Ford - Yankees 17 Dizzy Dean - Cardinals 18 Ted Kluszewski - Reds Mel Harder - Indians 19 Bob Feller - Indians Billy Pierce - White Sox Jim Gilliam - Dodgers Tony Gwynn - Padres Robin Yount - Brewers 20 Lou Brock - Cardinals Frank Robinson - Orioles & Reds Pie Traynor - Pirates Mike Schmidt - Phillies Don Sutton - Dodgers Frank White - Royals 21 Bob Lemon - Indians Warren Spahn - Braves Roberto Clemente - Pirates 22 Jim Palmer - Orioles 23 Ryne Sandberg - Cubs Don Mattingly - Yankees Willie Horton - Tigers 24 Tony Perez - Reds Willie Mays - Giants Walter Alston - Dodgers (manager) Jimmy Wynn - Astros 25 Jose Cruz - Astros 26 Billy Williams - Cubs Gene Autry - Angels (owner) Johnny Oates - Rangers (manager) 27 Carlton Fisk - Red Sox Jim Hunter - Athletics Juan Marichal - Giants 29 Rod Carew - Angels & Twins 30 Orlando Cepeda - Giants Nolan Ryan - Angels 31 Dave Winfield - Padres 32 Steve Carlton - Phillies Sandy Koufax - Dodgers Elston Howard - Yankees Jim Umbricht - Astros 33 Mike Scott - Astros Eddie Murray - Orioles Honus Wagner - Pirates 34 Rollie Fingers - Athletics & Brewers Nolan Ryan - Rangers & Astros Kirby Puckett - Twins 35 Randy Jones - Padres Phil Niekro - Braves 36 Robin Roberts - Phillies Gaylord Perry - Giants 37 Casey Stengel - Yankees & Mets (manager) 39 Roy Campanella - Dodgers 40 Don Wilson - Astros Danny Murtaugh - Pirates (manager) 41 Eddie Mathews - Braves Tom Seaver - Mets 42 Jackie Robinson - Dodgers, later retired throughout MLB Bruce Sutter - Cardinals 43 Dennis Eckersley - Athletics 44 Henry Aaron - Braves & Brewers Reggie Jackson - Yankees Willie McCovey - Giants 45 Bob Gibson - Cardinals 49 Larry Dierker - Astros Ron Guidry - Yankees 50 Jimmie Reese - Angels (coach) 53 Don Drysdale - Dodgers 72 Carlton Fisk - White Sox 85 August Busch, Jr. - Cardinals (owner) This represents his age at the time the number was retired in 1984. 455 Cleveland Fans - Indians This represents consecutive sellouts of Indians home games at Jacobs Field between 1995 and 2001; the number is believed to be an all-time record for Major League Baseball. Note: Some players who played before the advent of uniform numbers have received retirement honors. They are Ty Cobb, Tigers Pete Alexander, Phillies Chuck Klein, Phillies, denoted with "NY" and his name at AT&T Park Christy Mathewson, Giants, denoted with "NY" and his name at AT&T Park John McGraw, Giants Rogers Hornsby, Cardinals I guess every team wastes time with numbers!

Only is said player is worthy to have his number retired. Santo yes...Billy Williams yes...Ernie Banks, Ryne Sandberg, yes. Maddux/Jenkins (no and yes), but Sosa doesn't, IMO deserve. I mean he only had six yrs out of 13 with the Cubs, that his numbers were considered "great" and those numbers between 1998 and 2003 are under suspicion. And the other 7 seasons with the Cubs, his numbers were VERY mediocre as a whole. http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sosasa01.shtml So half his career with the Cubs he was pretty much average, the other half he was ABOVE-AVERAGE. When you put the full 13 yrs together, Sosa really isn't "number retiring" quality without serious debate. So, until the Cubs decide Sosa's number should or shouldn't be retired, his number should be made available to anybody who wants to wear, just like 31 was, and 8, and 17. NO EXCEPTIONS. The only numbers that are off-limits are the numbers worn by Santo/Williams and Banks with #31 being close to being off the market, so to speack. So, again, 21 should will be made available, and if Marquis wants to wear, he SHOULD be welcome to wearing it. Marquis wearing won't disrespect what Sosa did in the numbers. Did you even look at his #'s, or just post the link? About 7 of Sosa's years w/ the Cubs were ABOVE average. As for #8, #31, and #17 I don't feel any of those should be retired. I loved Hawk, but the majority of his career numbers were put up in Montreal. Maddux only came into his own as a Cub, but put up the majority of his numbers in Atlanta. And Gracie, while I loved watching him as well is not even close to a GREAT, or FRANCHISE player. He was a complimentary player that played great defense and hit singles and doubles. He doesn't stake up against the great 1B of all-time. You're stretching it now. You're comparing entertainment that only affects us 8 months out of the yr, and not personally to that of current events that affect our day-to-day life and history? Nah...there is a different. People are dying to protect the freedoms that this country is founded on, and to compare that to players choosing to wear another player's numbers....is beyond stretching a point to fit into your argument. Your missing the point here. I'm not saying that a ball player is as important as a nation hero. I'm saying that throughout history in many different parts of our lives there are symbols of respect. They may just be a number, or a piece of fabric, or a piece of metal, etc. But the meaning behind it is what matters. I am in no way saying that a Purple Heart is equal to a Retired #, but I am saying they're both symbolic of honor in their respective fields. You are right in the aspect that the flag and our solidiers are much more important then #'s. Again, if you need a number to remember the "greatness" of a player, then maybe the player wasn't so great after all, or you weren't paying attention to said players career. It's not about "needing a number to remember the greatness of a player!" It's a way for the organization to HONOR and show RESPECT for the player and what they gave or meant to the franchise. It is "just a number." Or should players pull a "Futurama" and start wearing fractions as numbers (ie 1/8....2/5)? So, again it is "just a number", and to make it out to be bigger then it supposed to be, is beyond nonsense. Please! The Yanks have a great number of retired numbers and have no shortage of numbers to hand out. Your sarcasm is amusing, but it still doesn't change the fact that sports franchises in all major sports retire numbers to HONOR the greats. You may not like it, you may think they should do something different, but the fact still remains that this is how clubs have chosen to honor players. I think it's ridiculous to argue the merits of anyone wearing #21 when you know and understand these facts to be true.

Disagree I agree with the Disagree! NO ONE should wear #21 in a Cub uniform again. Plain and simple. By ignoring the fact that BASEBALL teams AND MLB as an organization retire #'s to honor players is INSANE! It's an honor only bestode on the greats of the game. Sure, it's just a number. A number that was worn by a Cub great and should be honored. There's other "symbols" in life. One could argue that the American flag is just fabric, but I would grossly disagree on that as well. Or honoring our great military with awards like the purple heart.....................well it's just a piece of metal. Come on! Maybe I'm a bit old fashion, but a number means a great deal in sports and to have one's # retired IS the greatest honor given by one's team. The HOF induction is the greatest honor, but the player is voted in rather then the team itself inducting the player. Again, the argument of "It's just a number" is utterly disreputable.

Well, I agree. I think they should honor Buck O'Neill and Sammy. Does the current management even know who O'Neill is?

Disagree I agree with the Disagree! NO ONE should wear #21 in a Cub uniform again. Plain and simple. The guy doesn't have to even go into the HOF in order to get the recognition from his own organization. I.e. The Yankees, who we all have our problems with, have never issued #23 since the retirement of Don Mattingly (except for Mattingly himself.). He's probably never going to be in the HOF, but he was the face of the Yanks for so many years when they stunk. He's beloved by their fans and he's honored by the organization. The Cubs should take a note of it.

I can't disagree more. To an most athletes a number is the way you are identified. You may not think it's a big deal, but retiring numbers is something that has been done for players to honor them. That's just the way it is. And since that is the way it is, there is reason to take offense if someone is given the same number as a GREAT. I don't want to see anyone in #21 just as I'm glad that I never saw another #23 after Ryno. It's just a way of showing your appreciation as an organization to a franchise player.

HBC trades: Adam Dunn to Raw Dawgs for Bobby Jenks and Jonathon Broxton.

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A better question would be: Are Sammy's "indiscretions" enough to ignore what he brought to Chicago, the Cubs, and the game of baseball? Again, I have my problems with Sammy, but I also have alot of GREAT memories. I have more great memories of Sammy then I do bad memories. He's a HOF and he's a Cub. The Cub organization should cherish that relationship, not tarnish it. I know it was bad in the end between them, but it should be a relationship that is repaired.

It's been made to be. A team retiring a players number is second only to a HOF induction in terms of the size of the honor. To issue the number of a former player who happened to be your franchise player and a sure-fire HOF'er to a mediocre pitcher is a slap in the face. Exactly!

Yes.

Anyone wear #14? Because there's a difference between a "prominent" player and a "FRANCHISE" player. While I have my problems with Sosa, no one should wear his number again in a Cub uni. Ernie Ryno Sammy Franchise players. You forgot Santo. Well, I could put Billy in there too.

Anyone wear #14? Because there's a difference between a "prominent" player and a "FRANCHISE" player. While I have my problems with Sosa, no one should wear his number again in a Cub uni. Ernie Ryno Sammy Franchise players.

Do we have managers for every team now or do we still have openings? Are all the managers members at NSBB?

Yeah, I didn't think about that, but probably a good idea!

WOW! Wouldn't that be a story!!!!!!! Especially if it translates into Drew only getting a 1 or 2 year deal at less money!