The Panthers are the only team in the history of the league to have two 1,100-yard rushers this year and also went 8-8, so I guess you and I are kindred spirits in the 'insane rushing numbers with little to show for it' regard. Yes, though I, as I'm sure you would as well, would agree to trade the rushing record for a playoff spot, though. :) That's just more reason, to me, why it's silly to evaluate a football player on how many winning seasons or super bowl rings he has. CJ, Stewart and Williams are now worse because their teams were bad. It's generally only QBs who get this stigma attached to them (i.e. Brady is better than Peyton because Brady has 4 rings and Peyton has 1), but I occassionally hear it with other players as well. It's silly. I know he's Tom Brady and all, but he even gets a ring for losing in the Super Bowl? Probably still can't believe the Giants won. I know I can't.