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Prior has never pitched a full season. He made 30 starts and threw 211 innings in 2003. He was on the DL that year too. Which means he has never pitched in a full season without being hurt.

Prior has never pitched a full season.

No way the Pirates trade Mike Gonzalez for Jacque Jones. I dont see them trading Gonzalez at all anyways.

So you're saying a pitcher who has survived little league, legion ball, college ball, the minor leagues, and years in the majors has suddenly lost his self confidence? Or does it have something more to do with Dave Duncan noticing flaws in his mechanics that decreased not only downward movement on his fastball, but significant break on his slider? Its pretty easy to lose your confidence if hitter's are smashing the ball off of you.

I could see a trade like this happening in a video game.

I doubt Detroit would accept that offer. They already have Carlos Guillen at ss, they already have Thames and Monroe for LF, and they have Ordonez for RF. I am sure any talks regarding both Bonderman and Granderson would have to include Zambrano.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face. I thought CubsBullsBears got banned already. Apparently not. I dont know what I did to be even considered to be banned? Someone has been pushing my buttons over something really stupid. Maybe if that source would stop, I would stop. He is the one bringing up the Weaver thing in seemingly every thread now. Because you are saying you want to punch Vance in the face. Well, I just find it annoying that he would continue to bring up the whole Weaver subject. Its over with. Just drop it. When somebody (and by somebody I mean you) is so obviously wrong and yet refuses to admit they are wrong, it is hard to drop. Either way, you don't say you want to punch another poster. How was I wrong? I am just asking you. I am not trying to push this subject any further. All I said was Weaver was a better pitcher in the post-season than Verlander was, and I would have taken Weaver over Verlander in the playoffs. The way Verlander was pitching in the playoffs, I would have taken alot of other guys over him too. It was just my opinion. I dont see how I could be wrong if that's my judgement. You were right in that aspect but anybody could have looked at the stats before Game 5 and seen that Jeff Weaver had pitched better than Justin Verlander in the 2006 postseason. That's not the issue that people, including myself, have taken exception to. It's the fact that going into the postseason, nobody would have taken Jeff Weaver over Justin Verlander. Nobody. Jeff Weaver sucked this year and was even DFA because of it. He also had no success in the postseason before 2006 (not that 8.1 innings is a good barometer anyway). So there is no evidence out there to show that Jeff Weaver was going to pitch well this postseason. Then you went and said that because of his success in the 2006 postseason, you said that he is a good pitcher which is absolutely ludicrous and wrong. Five postseason starts do not make or break a pitcher. It's called sample size and is basic statistics. He's made 240 starts in his career and has a career ERA+ of 96 which is bad. Three out of the last 4 years he's had an ERA+ under 100, which means he is worse than the league average. His WHIP this year was 1.51. The guy is, flat out, not a good pitcher. And that is what you don't seem to be able to grasp. Weaver just had a horrible year in 06. He was a good pitcher with the Dodgers. He wasnt the staff ace for them, but he didnt have to be. He would be a good 5th starter if he could return to his Dodger form. I believe he can return to that form. He had very little confidence this year, and his stats showed that. He has regained his confidence he had with the Dodgers. If you dont have confidence in yourself to do the task at hand, you're not going to be successful.

If the Cubs could pull a deal for Burrell, why not deal Jones and a prospect like Mateo or Marmol for Bonderman? I dont see why Detroit would want Jacque for Bonderman. They already have guys like; Ordonez, Thames, and Monroe to play RF. Jones isnt really considered a "big bat" either. I would love to see Bonderman playing for the Cubs. I just dont see Detorit trading him though.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face. I thought CubsBullsBears got banned already. Apparently not. I dont know what I did to be even considered to be banned? Someone has been pushing my buttons over something really stupid. Maybe if that source would stop, I would stop. He is the one bringing up the Weaver thing in seemingly every thread now. Because you are saying you want to punch Vance in the face. Well, I just find it annoying that he would continue to bring up the whole Weaver subject. Its over with. Just drop it. When somebody (and by somebody I mean you) is so obviously wrong and yet refuses to admit they are wrong, it is hard to drop. Either way, you don't say you want to punch another poster. How was I wrong? I am just asking you. I am not trying to push this subject any further. All I said was Weaver was a better pitcher in the post-season than Verlander was, and I would have taken Weaver over Verlander in the playoffs. The way Verlander was pitching in the playoffs, I would have taken alot of other guys over him too. It was just my opinion. I dont see how I could be wrong if that's my judgement.

I have to disagree. I had the chance to meet him last year at a fund raiser...he stood and talked baseball with me for 10-15 minutes, was a very nice guy and jokingly as I walked away he said "Hey...I hope your team has a bad year" to which I replied "you too!" He was actually much much nicer than I ever would have guessed from what I see on TV. Tony is a very competitive man. Just like any other baseball manager. Off the field he is a great guy. He has his own ARF fund, which saves dogs and cats who have run out of time at public shelters and brings people and animals together to enrich each other's lives. Sounds like a good guy to me.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face. I thought CubsBullsBears got banned already. Apparently not. I dont know what I did to be even considered to be banned? Someone has been pushing my buttons over something really stupid. Maybe if that source would stop, I would stop. He is the one bringing up the Weaver thing in seemingly every thread now. Because you are saying you want to punch Vance in the face. Well, I just find it annoying that he would continue to bring up the whole Weaver subject. Its over with. Just drop it.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face. I thought CubsBullsBears got banned already. Apparently not. I dont know what I did to be even considered to be banned? Someone has been pushing my buttons over something really stupid. Maybe if that source would stop, I would stop. He is the one bringing up the Weaver thing in seemingly every thread now.

I just find you very annoying. You don't no when to stop. or That's important to know! This is exactly my point.

I just find you very annoying. You don't no when to stop.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face. i dont think it's okay to suggest that you want to punch other posters in the face I think it's okay to do. Considering he is seemingly bringing it up in every thread on this site.

Time to grow up. You're sounding like an immature high school student. Someone who you just want to punch in the face.

I don't know.... with the Cubs' luck we would get both of them and the fact that they pitched into the postseason this year would give both of them tired arms next year and they would end up injured by July. Verlander is going to fall in that category. Though I am going to say he will be injured before July.

Don't you know? Weaver is a great pitcher! His postseaon shows that! He's better than Verlander or anyone else on the Tigers. He's probably better than Santana on the Twins too! Since you didn't understand what I was saying. I said Weaver was a better post season pitcher than Verlander was. Weaver as the 5th starter would be fine with me. He will give you 11-13 wins a year, and he will pitch atleast 200 innings. Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO +------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+ 2002 ALDS NYY ANA L 2 0 6.75 0-0 0 0 0 2.7 4 2 3 1 2003 WS NYY FLA L 1 0 9.00 0-1 0 0 0 1.0 1 1 0 0 2004 NLDS LAD STL L 1 1 11.57 0-1 0 0 0 4.7 8 6 2 4 Ok, so Weaver in the postseason before this year was an absolute disaster. You're seriously telling me that you somehow knew that Weaver in this postseason was going to be solid gold, even though he's never had ANY postseason success before? If it's true, please pm me the winning ohio lottery numbers. ALL I SAID WAS, "JEFF WEAVER PITCHED BETTER THAN JUSTIN VERLANDER IN THE POST-SEASON." No, you said he was a better postseason pitcher. Not the same thing. Is Kenny Rogers a good postseason pitcher? I may of said Weaver was better than Verlander in the post season. I think it is the same thing.

Don't you know? Weaver is a great pitcher! His postseaon shows that! He's better than Verlander or anyone else on the Tigers. He's probably better than Santana on the Twins too! Since you didn't understand what I was saying. I said Weaver was a better post season pitcher than Verlander was. Weaver as the 5th starter would be fine with me. He will give you 11-13 wins a year, and he will pitch atleast 200 innings. Year Round Tm Opp WLser G GS ERA W-L SV CG SHO IP H ER BB SO +------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+ 2002 ALDS NYY ANA L 2 0 6.75 0-0 0 0 0 2.7 4 2 3 1 2003 WS NYY FLA L 1 0 9.00 0-1 0 0 0 1.0 1 1 0 0 2004 NLDS LAD STL L 1 1 11.57 0-1 0 0 0 4.7 8 6 2 4 Ok, so Weaver in the postseason before this year was an absolute disaster. You're seriously telling me that you somehow knew that Weaver in this postseason was going to be solid gold, even though he's never had ANY postseason success before? If it's true, please pm me the winning ohio lottery numbers. ALL I SAID WAS, "JEFF WEAVER PITCHED BETTER THAN JUSTIN VERLANDER IN THE POST-SEASON."

Don't you know? Weaver is a great pitcher! His postseaon shows that! He's better than Verlander or anyone else on the Tigers. He's probably better than Santana on the Twins too! Since you didn't understand what I was saying. I said Weaver was a better post season pitcher than Verlander was. Weaver as the 5th starter would be fine with me. He will give you 11-13 wins a year, and he will pitch atleast 200 innings. I guess you like old, beat down players. Bonds and Alou come to mind. They're just going to take away AB's from a future all-star in Murton.

Murton should be the guy playing LF next year.

That's why your bench is important.

This is getting really old. Please stop attacking my opinions. And you obviously didn't understand what I was saying to begin with.

where would you prefer the much needed offense to come from? i don't love soriano or anything, but he's the best hope for making this offense respectable. Get a 2B in Free Agency(Durham and Iwamura are my favorites, Loretta would be okay too), and revamp the OF in trade. Kearns, Burrell, A-Rod(which isn't the OF, but still), Sheffield, maybe Cabrera, Hawpe, or Cuddyer if they come available. What and alomst completely strip our farm system of any of the A prospects left of it? I'd rather keep the prospects and sign big free agents when they become available, somewhat simular to the mets. If we would have done it that way a few years ago, just for example. We could have a guy like Beltran and still have guys like Willis, Garland. . ect. . Instead we trade the Willis' and Garland's for mediocre crap and think we're gonna contend. (we=JH). . Your hate for Hendry is blinding. Garland was traded 8 years ago, when Hendry might not have even been in the organization. And Willis was traded before Hendry was GM too. Next time you try and trash Hendry, at least criticize him for things he's actually done. It's very easy to second guess.

If Hendry is going after Schmidt, the length of the contract should be no longer than 2 years.