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kramer's still better. And he is, but that's besides the point

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV. I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all. The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds. iirc, neither angle shows it actually hit mccamey, you just assume that it did. however, johnson's legs were all flailed out, so there's no way to be sure. even if it goes back to purdue, they were still down. Well either there was backspin on the ball or it hit off of him....However like you said and we agreed that it could have hit Johnson's leg after it hit McCamey....And again I wasn't saying that U of I didn't deserve to win you played a better game than us and deserved to win that game...All I was saying was we shot badly at the free throw line

I agree...for some reason this year Hummel is looking way to cautious. He only took 7 shots...He needs to be taking at least 10-12 a game. It's like he gets someone on him who's playing good D on him and then he's just scared to shoot...Because Duke played great D on him when we lost to them and he only shot maybe 4 shots in the first half against them and then at the end of the game he started to try to shoot more and scored some. Illinois definitely put a stop to him yesterday

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV. I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all. The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds. That also too, but it looked like it went under him

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now. yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini. The game was called fairly. not really. Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that. i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period. plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten. Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots. you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves. i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really. it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes". I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much. it wasn't really frustrating for me, though. the illini won, so i can't complain all too much. i CAN complain about folks talking about how the illini didn't win the game, but that purdue simply lost it. U of I deserved to win with our poor free-throw shooting...That absolutely killed us and we should have won in regulation had we made half of the ones we missed...but you guys played great and forced OT and then totally outplayed us in OT On a side note please watch it again because it hit off his shin...My only thing that could have happened was the ball hit the line before Johnson jumped for it, but they never really talked about it after the play And that wasn't a knock on you, but I re-watched the play like 5 times....I think the ref just didn't have the best view on it...I'm not gonna blame the loss on that play alone though...We still would have had to hit a 3 to tie the game up and there was only like 14 sec left at the time.

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now. yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini. The game was called fairly. not really. Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that. i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period. plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten. Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots. you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves. i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really. it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes". I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much. it wasn't really frustrating for me, though. the illini won, so i can't complain all too much. i CAN complain about folks talking about how the illini didn't win the game, but that purdue simply lost it. U of I deserved to win with our poor free-throw shooting...That absolutely killed us and we should have won in regulation had we made half of the ones we missed...but you guys played great and forced OT and then totally outplayed us in OT On a side note please watch it again because it hit off his shin...My only thing that could have happened was the ball hit the line before Johnson jumped for it, but they never really talked about it after the play

It sure looked like it should have been Purdue's ball on that play. Also, the non-call on the over-and-back was terrible. I wasn't pleased with the officiating, but it was bad both ways. I do think they made a good call on Hummel's shot in the second half, as it looked like his toe was on the three-point line. The Boilers killed themselves with their shooting, especially from the free throw line. As a side note, Marcus Green has looked completely lost the past two games. Purdue needs him to get his head on straight, especially if Kramer is going to be out for awhile. Also, while I appreciate Bobby Riddell's contribution against Valpo, he has no business starting a conference game. The Riddell minutes going up in a Big-Ten game makes no sense, but yeah the reffing was bad both ways and The Hummel call I questioned as well. The Green thing has been weird because I feel like the first 10ish games of the year he was contributing more defensively and on the boards.... I feel like the last two games hes just dribbling around on top of the key.

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now. yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini. The game was called fairly. not really. Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that. i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period. plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten. Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots. you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves. i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really. it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes". I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much.

I still have all of my 30 point games which is good, but I'm doing horrible so far

i changed my pick to NV before the game started. second time i've done that, and second time it failed. got 16 on it, but lost 21 on the Okla St. game

Should have just looked up the stats sorry

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now. yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini. The game was called fairly. not really. Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that. i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period. plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten. Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots. See the game Purdue played against Oklahoma...We shot like 7 free throws all game and they shot over 30....But Good game only questionable call in my book, but maybe I couldn't see it well from the angle they showd...What happened on the play where it went out of bounce and Johnson threw the ball off of McCamey's leg? Did it hit the line first? Why'd the ref make the call so quickly it looked like it bounced off his leg?.....Regardless though good game and impressive win by you guys

That's because they're not. Oh my bad...Well then I heard wrong on ESPN...maybe it was at home or something They're going for a 9 game winning streak this week. You could have just said that instead of what you said and it would be have been nicer In the same vein, it's really not that difficult to do a 30-second check on ESPN to see if the information you post is correct. It's not anyone else's responsibility to fact check you. Ok well I'm at work and I heard it on the radio while driving back from lunch sorry I didn't go to fact check for you...I didn't say it was your responsibility, but don't be a jerk for no reason and just tell me I'm wrong (which I'd appreciate) instead of saying it in a smart aleck And I'm not personally trying to attack you as a person, but your post, because it was a jerky thing to say

That's because they're not. Oh my bad...Well then I heard wrong on ESPN...maybe it was at home or something They're going for a 9 game winning streak this week. You could have just said that instead of what you said and it would be have been nicer In the same vein, it's really not that difficult to do a 30-second check on ESPN to see if the information you post is correct. It's not anyone else's responsibility to fact check you. So delete my post, tell me I'm wrong and tell me the correct number, but don't purposely say something like that just to try to make me look like an idiot

He deserves it after the collapse at the end of the year....I know the D is bad, but come on The D was historically bad. Second least efficient defense in the tracked statistical era (last 20 years), behind this year's Detroit defense. Do you think he deserved to stay on? Change was necessary, and at some point, wholesale change was needed. Denver was below average for most of the past few years (they were fortunate to win 8 this year, actually), so they decided to pull the trigger. They can do better, but who knows if they will. I don't think that the new coach would necessarily help this horrid D, but I do think that yes Shanahan had been mediocre or worse the last few years

That's because they're not. Oh my bad...Well then I heard wrong on ESPN...maybe it was at home or something They're going for a 9 game winning streak this week. You could have just said that instead of what you said and it would be have been nicer In the same vein, it's really not that difficult to do a 30-second check on ESPN to see if the information you post is correct. It's not anyone else's responsibility to fact check you. Ok well I'm at work and I heard it on the radio while driving back from lunch sorry I didn't go to fact check for you...I didn't say it was your responsibility, but don't be a jerk for no reason and just tell me I'm wrong (which I'd appreciate) instead of saying it in a smart aleck

I'm not sure smack talk is the right term for it when one side is throwing out poorly researched, incorrect statements, and the other side is simply correcting them repeatedly. You correcting statements I've said, but there irrelevant to Purdue losing at home....Yeah I might not have done a good job supporting my case and looking up the stats, but you've came up with absolutely no information that actually proves anything against Purdue winning at home except that they lost to one of the best teams in the country and played horrible. You missed the point I stated in one of the earlier long posts...which is that none of the information you posted, however inaccurate, was relevant. Purdue is a slightly better team, and should win on that merit. What they've done in the past 2 years is about as relevant as the repeated beatings they took at home 3 years ago. But I disagree because the team from 3 years ago wasn't nearly as good as the team from this year or last year or the year before in which we only have lost 3 games at home....The team from this year lost two players from last year in Scott Martin and Terrance Crump....I understand what you are trying to say, but there is a difference between the team this year and last year and the team from 3 years ago which was pitiful at home. So there record is relevant in that they have virtually the same team as last year

That's because they're not. Oh my bad...Well then I heard wrong on ESPN...maybe it was at home or something They're going for a 9 game winning streak this week. You could have just said that instead of what you said and it would be have been nicer

That's because they're not. Oh my bad...Well then I heard wrong on ESPN...maybe it was at home or something

He deserves it after the collapse at the end of the year....I know the D is bad, but come on The D was historically bad. Second least efficient defense in the tracked statistical era (last 20 years), behind this year's Detroit defense. Do you think he deserved to stay on?

I'm not sure smack talk is the right term for it when one side is throwing out poorly researched, incorrect statements, and the other side is simply correcting them repeatedly. You have been correcting statements I've said, but there irrelevant to Purdue losing at home....Yeah I might not have done a good job supporting my case and looking up the stats, but you've came up with absolutely no information that actually proves anything against Purdue winning at home except that they lost to one of the best teams in the country and played horrible.

I didn't realize Boston is on a 9 game winning streak too

Last year's results: Illinois 67 at Purdue 74 Purdue 83 at Illinois 75 Illinois 74, Purdue 67, OT, at Indianapolis I consider those a few competitive games. Ha well again I wasn't factoring in the Big Ten tourney game in Indy and was factoring in the game the year before when we were up by 20 the entire game, but yeah they've been relatively close games. If I remember from last year though the 9point game wasn't that close until the end you guys made a little of a comeback There was no 9 point game. In the 7 point home victory, Purdue trailed Illinois by 8 at the half, and 9 with 15 minutes remaining before going on a 23-7 run to take the lead for good. In the 8 point road victory, it was a 3 point game midway through the second half. In the BTT game, the largest lead was the final score. The largest lead for Purdue in either game was 12. Alright I was off sorry, but like I said I was thinking of the blowout the year before Well, now we have no chance. No...but us only losing 3 games including this year and the last 2 at home does But like I said it should be good game either way

He deserves it after the collapse at the end of the year....I know the D is bad, but come on

Maybe I'm not up on my Hawks-Wings nomenclature, but is this supposed to be some kind of sleight? I was wondering that too. I've seen Dead Things, Detoilet, Wangs. That's probably my favorite, though I generally think these sorts of things are silly. Cards fans think they're so clever with Flubs, Schlubs, etc. Ugh. I do prefer Dead Wangs, myself. Yes, the names are silly. I honestly just don't catch the Sparrows reference, so I will claim ignorance and laugh uncomfortably. Well, I mean, is the Sparrow the bitch of the Hawk family or something? That would be funny if that were true