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If you think Aaron Miles is an "average middle infielder" then I just don't know what to say. Aaron Miles and Neifi Perez are interchangeable. This is nowhere close to being anything but an irrational stupid move that should get Hendry fired. There's no excuse for this deal. I think that's a little over board

kinda like waving wendell

I could be wrong, but I don't think that's necessarily accurate. Johnson would be deemed in bounds when he threw the ball, since the last spot on the floor he touched prior to throwing the ball at McCamey was in bounds. I would imagine the out-of-bounds rule from the NBA also applies to college ball, and the NBA rule is that: The ball is out-of-bounds when it touches a player who is out-of-bounds or any other person, the floor, or any object on, above or outside of a boundary or the supports or back of the backboard. If Johnson was deemed in-bounds when he threw the ball at McCamey, and the ball hit McCamey while he was standing out-of-bounds, wouldn't it be Purdue ball at the moment it touched McCamey? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just curious where you heard that you can't throw it off someone when they are standing out-of-bounds. Regardless in either case we still had a horrible view on if it hit Johnson's foot and I'm not gonna lose sleep over it Well, it's obviously not the reason Purdue lost the game, but I would like some clarification on the rule (knowledge is power :wink: ). If what I indicated above holds true, it wouldn't matter if it hit Johnson's foot, since it would have been deemed out-of-bounds the moment it touched McCamey, if he was standing out-of-bounds when it hit him. Cool

And if that all goes down and we add Peavy that I really don't mind this move...yeah the money is a little high, but its not ridiculous as previously stated after having a career year Right, but I think one may have nothing to do with the other. Marquis and DeRosa are salary moving trades to set up to sign Miles and Bradley. Don't see the connection with Peavy, though perhaps it clears up the ability to trade Cedeno. If we ever really needed him. Where do you think DeRosa is going then? Perhaps. And I guess the other thing I forgot is that we could be sending prospects we get for DeRo to San Diego. So, I guess there isn't a literal connection, dude... No I was actually asking where you guys think DeRosa will get traded if not to San Diego? And my question was maybe answered? the Indians?

And if that all goes down and we add Peavy that I really don't mind this move...yeah the money is a little high, but its not ridiculous as previously stated after having a career year Right, but I think one may have nothing to do with the other. Marquis and DeRosa are salary moving trades to set up to sign Miles and Bradley. Don't see the connection with Peavy, though perhaps it clears up the ability to trade Cedeno. If we ever really needed him. Where do you think DeRosa is going then? Perhaps. And I guess the other thing I forgot is that we could be sending prospects we get for DeRo to San Diego. So, I guess there isn't a literal connection, dude... No I was actually asking where you guys think DeRosa will get traded if not to San Diego?

And if that all goes down and we add Peavy that I really don't mind this move...yeah the money is a little high, but its not ridiculous as previously stated after having a career year Right, but I think one may have nothing to do with the other. Marquis and DeRosa are salary moving trades to set up to sign Miles and Bradley. Don't see the connection with Peavy, though perhaps it clears up the ability to trade Cedeno. If we ever really needed him. Where do you think DeRosa is going then?

Ha well see how we play from here on out...plus I still wanna see Ohio St. and Minnesota in league play...Don't get to ahead of yourself

And if that all goes down and we add Peavy that I really don't mind this move...yeah the money is a little high, but its not ridiculous as previously stated after having a career year

It's reasonable for a bench player that provides some sort of value, by doing something really well. But does Miles do anything really well? I don't think so. His career seems like definition of replacement level production. Depends on what your definition of "really well" is. His last three year splits have him getting on base at a .374 clip against LHP. That would be a nice compliment to Fontenot, who thrives off of RHP. Also, he does some value in that he can adequately play almost any position on the field. I'm not arguing that he is a great signing, just that he is a decent option off the bench. That's what I meant...They were spectacular numbers, but they weren't god awful and he'll be a nice platoon with Fontenot against LHP

I could be wrong, but I don't think that's necessarily accurate. Johnson would be deemed in bounds when he threw the ball, since the last spot on the floor he touched prior to throwing the ball at McCamey was in bounds. I would imagine the out-of-bounds rule from the NBA also applies to college ball, and the NBA rule is that: The ball is out-of-bounds when it touches a player who is out-of-bounds or any other person, the floor, or any object on, above or outside of a boundary or the supports or back of the backboard. If Johnson was deemed in-bounds when he threw the ball at McCamey, and the ball hit McCamey while he was standing out-of-bounds, wouldn't it be Purdue ball at the moment it touched McCamey? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just curious where you heard that you can't throw it off someone when they are standing out-of-bounds. Regardless in either case we still had a horrible view on if it hit Johnson's foot and I'm not gonna lose sleep over it

also looking at his stats he's really only had one bad year in 2006...His numbers aren't that bad for a middle infielder type of platoon on our team

I don't mind the spending on Miles if We sign Bradley and We trade for Peavy

No...but our lineup was already one of the best in the league last year, and we are presumably adding Milton Bradley to it...so Fontenot is a 7/8 hitter anyways. I'm not too worried about it at that point. Again, my thoughts exactly. All the reports were saying the Marquis money would be going towards signing Bradley...So does that hurt our chances for Bradley?

The Colts thing really doesn't make sense...I mean it does the way they the rules are, but the Colts should get home field

Oh wow guess I didn't realize that...Well than there's our answer and it makes a lot of sense now

How the hell did Wallace not fall right away...That guy can take a pounding

Well he's a well above average player now much improved from last year but still has a way to go. There's a reason most experts said he had the most potential of anyone in that recruiting class. He's beginning to show it this year. He has got smarter about getting good position down low which has led to a lot more scoring. Last year he settled for a lot of jump shots hence why he shot only 42 percent. This year he is getting mainly dunks/easy lay-ins hence why he is shooting55 percent. Last year he was already a very good shot blocker (1.0 blocks in 16 minutes per game) but it was in the Josh Smith kind of way wear he always goes for the block at the sacrifice of playing good defense. He would get the block occasionally but a lot of times his man would fake him out or Johnson would have let him go by so he could try and block from behind. For the most part Johnson has stopped doing that and has turned into one of the best blockers. He's averaging 2.2 blocks a game in 24 minutes a game. He still needs to add more muscle and when he does he could be unstoppable. He's extremely athletic for his size and can shoot the jumper well for a center. So when he adds muscle, even 15 pounds of it, he can be strong enough to hold his position and athletic enough to beat his man down the court and get that position. Yeah that was the thing...Although everyone loved up Hummel last year Johnson and Moore were the ones with the most potential and there both showing it this year...He definitely needs to put on some weight though the guys like a twig

By the way how much better has Johnson gotten this year? He's looking awesome this year and looks better rebounding and much better defensively (Has a block in every game)

kramer's still better. And he is, but that's besides the point I'd just like to point out that Chester has been playing hurt for four years. I don't think he has ever been 100% healthy for any game. He is a warrior and I am glad the fan base is finally embracing him. I really like Kramer's game also, what is the latest on his injury, Purdue is not the same without him. I also read that Hummel is banged up, anyone have news on that? And so has Kramer. This year he has and a little bit at the end of last season, but I don't remember him being hurt freshman year?

Wait who do you want on the Illinois bench? They're both pretty much irreplaceable though...Also Kramer's numbers are down this year, I think he might have taken a step down while Frasier took one up I'm pretty sure he means after this year, as a coach. Yeah agree with both....People are saying Kramer should go play football ha...He wouldn't be to bad I think guess he was a top recruit for our football team too, but yeah both have the mindset you want to coach a team

Wait who do you want on the Illinois bench? They're both pretty much irreplaceable though...Also Kramer's numbers are down this year, I think he might have taken a step down while Frasier took one up

That pretty much sums it up. Purdue is a team that forces a lot of turnovers, and Illinois did a fantastic job taking care of the ball. Agreed you guys were averaging like 14 turnovers a game and at one point you only had 4 it may have been like 2 or 3 more by the end of the game, but regardless that's very impressive

kramer's still better. And he is, but that's besides the point yeah, not so much. in what way is Chester Frazier a better player than Kramer? Are you seriously going to try to argue about this? Rebounding and distributing the ball. Chester is also a great leader. I like Kramer's d better though. We have already had this argument at least once this year. Ok this is besides the point, but don't know if anyone watched this game two years ago, but there was a game where Painter actually had our defense not guard him. He would pull everyone off of him if he was 10ft or farther....and it was funny because at the time and I know he's gotten better shooting wise, but he was such a bad shooter than that he would look over to Weber to see if he should shoot and about half the time Weber wouldn't let him....Frasier has made many improvements though and I do agree that Frasier is a better passer and is a great leader as well

kramer's still better. And he is, but that's besides the point I'd just like to point out that Chester has been playing hurt for four years. I don't think he has ever been 100% healthy for any game. He is a warrior and I am glad the fan base is finally embracing him. I really like Kramer's game also, what is the latest on his injury, Purdue is not the same without him. I also read that Hummel is banged up, anyone have news on that? I'm not ripping Frasier, because he's like a little ball of lighting and gives his all, but talent wise and production wise Kramer is a better player. So don't get me wrong Frasier is a nice addition to any team Kramer supposedly sat out the Valparaiso game with a sprained ankle...He looked alright for most of the game yesterday, but after the Tisdale foul he looked like he re-twisted it a little bit. So I think it was just a nagging ankle injury Hummel had done something to his shoulder earlier this year, but at least from what I know he's been reasonably healthy the last few games

kramer's still better. And he is, but that's besides the point yeah, not so much. in what way is Chester Frazier a better player than Kramer? Are you seriously going to try to argue about this?