You're points are valid. I want a good return on maddux I want that maddux $$, it will be useful in the offseason I want to see Rich Hill But I do think he is GREAT to have, considering we might have atleast 2 rookies fighting to be 2 of our starting pitchers next year. Between Marmol <-MY guy, Marshall, and Hill. And having him, even next year would be great to have someone these young guys can REALLY learn from. He could help to make them so much better. And since I doubt he will be our Pitching Coach, having him on the bench is the only way to keep him around. Maddux is one of our guys who possibly won't be here next year, where I wouldn't actually mind so much if he still was (at a discount though), because of the benifit he gives to our young pitchers. How good would Marshall be without Maddux' guidance? I'd be willing to bet, his taking on Marshall has really helped him to develop. And he will be a very good pitcher next year thanks to learning from a great guy. I'd still prefer to see maddux gone, because of the mentioned benifits outweigh his presence. If only we had a better Pitching coach. I have no confidence in Rothschild to make these young pitchers better.