A New Era

The thing is, we were all (almost all) for getting Pierre because we knew we had baker, and knew we probably needed a "steriotypical" lead-off guy that baker would actually put there. And just my opinion, but I think Pierre needed some time to adjust to wrigely and also maybe he tried to hard to impress his new fans and when Lee went down tried even a little too much harder then going into a slump because of that. He's showing what he can do right now, he's showing the real juan pierre. And it's not just a little hot streak (which he had earlier) but it is an extended period of time where he is playing well. I think he will do better next year and we should keep him. And just add to that by getting a guy like giles. Or maybe keeping murton and getting soriono and you could use murton in the 2 spot.

Howry gives up the winning run right here. . EDIT: I called this before the hit. as per beerheres request.

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Well, whatever Dusty says about that move, he'll get criticized tomorrow. If he says that, people will say he's favoring the people he likes. If he says he made a bad mistake, people will say he shouldn't call out the young players like the Theriot thread today. So, expect Dusty to get criticized tomorrow-I hope of the options though he says that it was a mistake, because that is the truth-and a bad one. Whatever he says, it won't be as direct and won't be as much of a "call out" as it was to Theriot. I look foward to reading the Sun Times tomorrow morning. If Dusty doesn't critizize Bynum the same as Theriot..he is a downright racist. YEAH!!

Well, whatever Dusty says about that move, he'll get criticized tomorrow. If he says that, people will say he's favoring the people he likes. If he says he made a bad mistake, people will say he shouldn't call out the young players like the Theriot thread today. So, expect Dusty to get criticized tomorrow-I hope of the options though he says that it was a mistake, because that is the truth-and a bad one. Whatever he says, it won't be as direct and won't be as much of a "call out" as it was to Theriot.

Dusty Bakeworthless: "Bynum just got a little over excited and got picked off. Gotta applaud his effort, dude."

But a line-up of Pierre CF Giles 2b Lee 1b Ramirez 3b Jones RF Barrett C Murton LF Izturis SS is lacking power. It's not bad, but I think a better line-up can be assembled. That said, I'd get Giles and worry about the other pieces later. Then put C.Lee in LF or Soriano in LF. Honestly I'd rather see Soriano at 2B and Murton at LF since he's much cheaper than Giles.

Brian is locked into a nice contract where he REALLY wants to play. It's not even realistic to expect it to be him. Marcus, however, is realistic. And gives you good OBP combined with good defense. Something we've been unable to combine into our 2B spot for a couple of years.

Yes let's get Giles please!! . . . atleast my screenname would make a half bit of sense!! :D

I think this is about Dustworthless not thinking twice about calling out a rookie as soon as he has a chance. But out of the 1000's of boneheaded plays neifi made never once saying anything that would be "calling him out", or just making excuses like "He was excited and over agressive". .etc. . .

That's how I feel. I'd much rather have Murton/Soriano than Cedeno/Lee Murton is giving us good OBP and good production for his cost. He is very valuable and has shown good progression this year, unlike Cedeno.

That made me laugh. Loud. :D it's the first thing that came to mind. So I just posted.

Great. Now Hendry will over pay for one or the other... As long as he pays for one. I'd prefer Soriano.

I can't beleive those dumb wankers paid for him.

And Izturis is very similarly OBP challenged. It's not ridiculous, it's quite accurate. Yes but that's not all of my arguement. Please respond to the rest. How many DP has Izturis grounded into this year, how many per year? How often do you see him swinging away when the runner infront of him gets a stellar jump? How many pitches per plate appearance? He sucks offensively right now yes. Is he Neifi? God no.

I agree. IMO..its only a matter of time before he is strictly a DH. Its not the like the Cubs have any chance of contending in 07 anways so use this offseason to improve the pitching staff...and give Murton another year in LF. Then after 07 upgrade the OF(Vernon Wells) I see no reason we shouldn't try to compete in '07. We are in the horrid NL Central after all. The Cardinals have come back to the pack. And we have to consider with a couple good moves we can compete easily in the NL Central. If JH could be Soriano I'd be all for it.

He could also be on his way to an average OBP of .330. What he had in '04 and in '05 until he got injured. I'll take the wait and see approach, and judge him at the end of '07. Or atleast until mid '07 before I start jumping on his case calling him "young neifi". It's ridiculous. Wait and see, and you'll get more of the same. He was at 302 with the Dodgers and 292 with the Cubs (now below 300 for the season). That is not on his way to 330. There is absolutely nothing about his career that suggests we're destined to see a dramatic increase in the numbers we are seeing from him. 330 appears to be the exception, not the expected. I cannot believe that you think it's ridiculous that people are grounded in thinking that Cesar is not due to become a good offensive player. I think it's ridiculous to call him neifi. End of story. We all hated Neifi but Neifi earned that by his horrid OBP. But not only that. But because he swung into DP on the first pitch, never worked the count, robbed steals from pierre when pierre got good jumps, bunted to end a game, and many MANY other incredibly stupid plays. He hurts us even more than his #'s suggest. And I haven't seen Izturis do anything that stupid yet. Infact I have seen him be very patient, which in itself is an improvement over Neifi because you make the OP throw more pitches. And I still think he can improve his OBP. Ok maybe not up to .330. But deffinatly more than Neifi ever could. If we could trade Izturis and get rid of his contract I will be happy. I don't think he's the best SS available. But I'd certainly be happier to see him out there than Neifi every damn day. I'm just arguing the fact that he doesn't deserve to be called Neifi. Because Neifi did so much more to hurt this team than Izturis ever could.

He could also be on his way to an average OBP of .330. What he had in '04 and in '05 until he got injured. I'll take the wait and see approach, and judge him at the end of '07. Or atleast until mid '07 before I start jumping on his case calling him "young neifi". It's ridiculous.

I'm with ya on Murton. Sure of the 2 big FA bats, Carlos Lee plays LF. But Soriano plays 2B. I'd rather replace Cedeno because Murton can give you +.350 OBP. In other words I'd rather have Soriano/Murton than Cedeno/Lee. Wouldn't you? Your other ideas are great and show what a good smart ballclub and contendor would do. By using cheap guys but who have good OBP so you can save your money for a couple big guys. But I doubt many of your ideas would be used. What I'm wishing for now is a #2 and #5 signing, keeping guys like Hill and Marshall who show progress. And getting Soriano for 2B and keeping Murton in LF.

Bob keeps saying it looked like he smooshed his wrist. It looked like he came down on his head and right shoulder pounding those into the ground.

Awesome.... when's someone going to cold-[expletive] Dusty? You mean, Hit him in his "grill". . ?

b/c he can play multiple positions and he can catch the ball And he's fast. And he comes to play the game.

well thought out reasoning. The in-depth analysis is impressive. I thought so too. "He Freakin blows" pretty much sums up Bynum, I think. :wink:

Details plz! I have the volume down. :) Len: Neifi is currently in the line-up tonite. 0-3 tonite. . Bob: I wonder how many pitches he has soon. Len: PRO-ba-bly not very much Bob: Hah, eh, heh. Len: Heh, heh. (pretty close to that, sorry not a direct quotes)

He'll save baserunners time on the bases. :D