Andy

Uhhh....wow

It was pretty good, certainly good enough to still be sold. Why don't they sell it anymore?

I still don't understand why Florida is ahead of Arkansas but at least the Hogs get a chance on the field to prove they are better. I do. Florida was ranked higher to start the year. Come on Cuse, get with the program! :D

I take it back, Florida did just drop from 3 to 4 after the WCU game, so ND's not alone. Give the voters credit for that at least.

Matchups between Top 25 teams --------------------------------- (6) Notre Dame at (3) USC (8 pm, ABC) (9) LSU at (5) Arkansas (2:30 pm Friday, CBS) Good Top 25 games --------------------- (4) Florida at Florida State (12 pm, ABC) (8) Louisville at Pittsburgh (TBA) Texas A&M at (11) Texas (12 pm Friday, ABC) (12) Boise State at Nevada (4 pm, ESPN) (13) Oklahoma at Oklahoma State (2:30 pm) (16) Georgia Tech at Georgia (3:30 pm, CBS) Virginia at (17) Virginia Tech (12 pm)* (18) Boston College at Miami (7:30 pm Thursday, ESPN) (20) Wake Forest at Maryland (7:45 pm, ESPN) (21) BYU at Utah (3:30 pm, CSTV) S. Carolina at (24) Clemson (12 pm) Purdue at (25) Hawaii (11 pm) Top 25 mismatches --------------------- South Florida at (7) West Virginia (12 pm) Syracuse at (15) Rutgers (TBA) Kentucky at (19) Tennessee (TBA) Colorado at (23) Nebraska (3:30 pm Friday, ABC) Other games of interest ------------------------- N. Illinois at E. Michigan (11 am Friday) Kent State at Ball State (12 pm Friday) Kansas at Missouri (12 pm, ABC) Memphis at UTEP (9 pm) Mississippi State at Ole Miss (TBA) San Diego at UC Davis (4 pm) UT Martin at S. Illinois (1st round playoffs)

You should have played Western Carolina and beat them 62-0. If we were like Florida and were still throwing up 55, I have no doubt we would have.

Unless I'm mistaken, ND's the only team in the nation to drop after a win, and it's now happened three times.

You didn't want Ohio State to beat the merciless crap out of ND before?

Good point, forgot they added that tie in with the new 2 auto bids. I don't think it's new. Texas making the national title game last year enabled the Fiesta Bowl to have the first at-large selection and then the third also, which is how they scored the OSU/ND matchup.

It should be an extremely exciting game when ND comes into Pasadena next year. I hope you guys beat USC.

They probably would, but the Big 12 champ is contracted to play in the Fiesta Bowl unless they make the national title game. Texas would have to play in the Fiesta.

In that case: Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. Boise State (at large) Rose Bowl - USC (Pac-10) vs. Florida (at large) Sugar Bowl - ND (at large) vs. Arkansas (SEC) Orange Bowl - Georgia Tech (ACC) vs. Louisville (Big East) National title game - OSU (Big 10) vs. Michigan (at large) - The Big 10 and Pac-10 champs are contracted with the Rose Bowl, the Big 12 champs with the Fiesta, the SEC with the Sugar, and the ACC with the Orange. The first pick of the other eligible teams goes to whatever bowl(s) lose their contracted teams to the title game, then it goes Sugar/Orange/Fiesta. - The Rose Bowl will get the first pick since they lost OSU to the title game, but they won't want a USC/ND rematch, so they'll take Florida. - Then the Sugar Bowl picks, and they'll take ND. - Then the Orange, who will take Louisville. - Then the Fiesta will be stuck with Boise State. It's going to be hard for Oklahoma to win the Big 12 considering the Championship game is Texas-Nebraska. Son of a... Alright, sub in Texas.

In that case: Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. Boise State (at large) Rose Bowl - USC (Pac-10) vs. Florida (at large) Sugar Bowl - ND (at large) vs. Arkansas (SEC) Orange Bowl - Georgia Tech (ACC) vs. Louisville (Big East) National title game - OSU (Big 10) vs. Michigan (at large) - The Big 10 and Pac-10 champs are contracted with the Rose Bowl, the Big 12 champs with the Fiesta, the SEC with the Sugar, and the ACC with the Orange. The first pick of the other eligible teams goes to whatever bowl(s) lose their contracted teams to the title game, then it goes Sugar/Orange/Fiesta. - The Rose Bowl will get the first pick since they lost OSU to the title game, but they won't want a USC/ND rematch (and they can't take Wisconsin to recreate the Big 10/Pac-10 rematch, which they say they'll do whenever possible), so they'll take Florida. - Then the Sugar Bowl picks, and they'll take ND. - Then the Orange, who will take Louisville. - Then the Fiesta will be stuck with Boise State.

I might too, but I don't think UM will fall far enough for Arkansas to catch them.

Here's how I think the BCS is going to look: Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. Boise State (at large) Rose Bowl - USC (Pac-10) vs. Florida (at large) Sugar Bowl - ND (at large) vs. Arkansas (SEC) Orange Bowl - Georgia Tech (ACC) vs. West Virginia (Big East) National title game - OSU (Big 10) vs. Michigan (at large) I think Florida will lose to Arkansas in the title game, ND will beat USC, and that will necessitate the voters choosing between an OSU/Mich rematch and an ND/Mich rematch. Gee, I wonder what they'll choose.

Cal's going to get another TD reversed.

And one of them just sent Ole Miss-LSU to OT.

I vote Tony's, but since I'm a starving college student I have to settle for the $1 Totino's.

Ty finishes up 5-7 and takes the Apple Cup game with Wazzu 35-32. Good to see his team improving.

I swear on all that I've seen that Ben Sheets is reffing the Rutgers game.

Ole Miss leads LSU 17-7 at halftime...

Uh, Rutgers sucks

Paul Maguire's an idiot, but he is absolutely right on. If that ball's on the ground just fall on it unless no one is anywhere near you.

There's a tendency to try and quantify all of this with stats and whatever. I just think the Heisman is won and lost based on those few big pressure games where the player plays----unless he simply blows it against lesser opponents. Troy has had 2 this year and shined in both. Quinn had 1 and didn't look all that great, for whatever reason. Even if he plays lights-out against USC, they aren't #2 and it won't be that huge mega-game that the Texas and Michigan games were for Troy Smith. Oh, that's a perfectly logical argument-but ND has played the better defenses and a better schedule, and I'm just responding to the statement that Ohio State had better in each of those. BTW, Quinn wasn't all that bad for a player running for his life the entire Michigan game (2 INT's weren't his fault, only 1 was a bad decision or bad throw). I do understand though that his game was not nearly as good as Smith's games-but I do think Soccers argument that ND has had no offensive line pretty much all year and yet Quinn has done this has credence also. Remember that year when Woodson won the Heisman over Peyton? Peyton was the favorite to win it, but then Woodson was having this great year-----and in the biggest regular season game, he comes up big again. I think Peyton takes it if not for that final big game (I think it was OSU too). For better or for worse, that's the Heisman in a nutshell. Tennessee fans still burn up over that one. I remember in 1999, Champ Bailey did everything Woodson did and statistically did it a lot better (many more PR yards, more INTs, more receptions).

There's a tendency to try and quantify all of this with stats and whatever. I just think the Heisman is won and lost based on those few big pressure games where the player plays----unless he simply blows it against lesser opponents. Troy has had 2 this year and shined in both. Quinn had 1 and didn't look all that great, for whatever reason. Even if he plays lights-out against USC, they aren't #2 and it won't be that huge mega-game that the Texas and Michigan games were for Troy Smith. Minor quibble: If USC wins today, they'll likely be No. 2 next week in the BCS.