I dont think that Matt Morris is very fair to add to that list. He sucks not cause he is old and has no arm left. But his first 6 years he had ERA+ of 130, 166, 130,137,114, and 111. So he was a pretty good pitcher his first 6 years in the league. yeah, all with the Cardinals. since he's left the cardinals, he's sucked Its not like he was some scrub they picked up off of waivers though he was a first round pick who was very productive his first 6 years in the league with the Cards, then had a couple average years for them. He had sucked since he left cause they knew he was on the downswing of his career and let him go. The other guys are good example I just dont think that Morris is a good one.