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Thats not true at all. He took over a pathetic Bulls team and helped lead them to a playoff series win last year. Skiles will be a great hire for IU Skiles is perfect for college, by the time he wears thin on his players they will be ready to graduate. That has always been his problem. He does well for awhile, then his players get sick of his in your face style. College will eliminate a lot of that.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it. I agree that superstars can ratchet up the excitement - I can't imagine what it was like preparing to watch Dominique and Jordan go head to head - but in the end, i think most people would rather watch nobodies do incredible things than superstars throw down game dunks. That being said, the VC contest was the best single performance in anything ever. The two handed FT line dunk doesn't get enough respect. But seriously, you think Gerald Green couldn't do that? He did Vince's between the legs dunk (actually it's Isaiah Rider's) with no shoes on. I see high school players hook their elbows in the rim. Things have changed. All this being said, no superstar like kobe or lebron is going to enter a dunk contest and risk being embarassed by Jamario Moon. I sitll think Vince had more. It was rumored he could pull a 720. The Jordan vs Dominque thing was pretty bad, but too be honest the Spud Webb one stuck with me the longest. The superstars didn't mind losing then. I remember when Isaiah Rider did that in the college dunk contest. The East Bay Funk Dunk, then proclaimed he would be winning the NBA dunk contest the next year. No one can do a 720. Not a legit one, anyway. Even the guy that "does one" starts out with his back to the basket. Jordan couldn't really fly either, but he sure looked like he was.

He was a bad man. Supposedly he lost to Ronnie Fields though in a high school dunk contest. Look at this one. :shock:

Hell, Bayless (and Harden) have been overshadowed by Love and Mayo in Pac-10 country and there's no reason they should be. Bayless was amazing yesterday, he didn't even miss a shot. Oh, and I think Skiles would be great in college. We played both teams. I thought Bayless was a lot better than Harden. Although it was Harden's first college game.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it. I agree that superstars can ratchet up the excitement - I can't imagine what it was like preparing to watch Dominique and Jordan go head to head - but in the end, i think most people would rather watch nobodies do incredible things than superstars throw down game dunks. That being said, the VC contest was the best single performance in anything ever. The two handed FT line dunk doesn't get enough respect. But seriously, you think Gerald Green couldn't do that? He did Vince's between the legs dunk (actually it's Isaiah Rider's) with no shoes on. I see high school players hook their elbows in the rim. Things have changed. All this being said, no superstar like kobe or lebron is going to enter a dunk contest and risk being embarassed by Jamario Moon. I sitll think Vince had more. It was rumored he could pull a 720. The Jordan vs Dominque thing was pretty bad, but too be honest the Spud Webb one stuck with me the longest. The superstars didn't mind losing then. I remember when Isaiah Rider did that in the college dunk contest. The East Bay Funk Dunk, then proclaimed he would be winning the NBA dunk contest the next year.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it. the dunk where Vince hung from his elbow on the rim is probably the most underrated dunk in contest history I don't know how he didn't break his arm. I used to be able to dunk, not to that level at all, but I don't get how you don't break your arm doing that dunk. i remember watching him do that one and then getting low scores because i don't think people realized exactly what he did. how high do you have to jump to get your arm down into the basket like that? sick and i'm jealous of people who can dunk. i'm 6'3" and i can barely touch the rim. i have zero hops Yeah thats because in large part they had judges who couldn't dunk themselves that year. It was like Isaiah Thomas and Cynthia Cooper. Which one of those two ever dunked a ball before, on a ten foot rim? Oh and then Kenny Smith was there, but he was still orgasming over the first one Vince did.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it. the dunk where Vince hung from his elbow on the rim is probably the most underrated dunk in contest history I don't know how he didn't break his arm. I used to be able to dunk, not to that level at all, but I don't get how you don't break your arm doing that dunk. My vote for most underrated though was Ricky Davis' between the legs reverse dunk. The same one Richardson did a few year later when everyone went crazy. Ricky just did his when Vince was going insane.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point. Kemp had the benefit of moving like a guard while still being 6'10 or whatever he was. No doubt about it that he was a complete freak. But Dwight does it at 270 pounds. If Dwight had done his off the back of the backboard windmill in the contest that jordan and dominique were jumping from freethrow lines and doing two hand reverses, Dwight would have won by 20 points. Those dunks wouldn't get you out of the first round any more. For the record, LeBron says he's not a good contest dunker and neither is Kobe, really. Not in the vein of what we saw last night. There's only so much innovation you can do with a ball in your hand, and I think we both know that Kobe is going to be putting on a Superman cape and dancing at midcourt. Gerald Green can get higher than Kobe by a good 6 inches. Lebron dominated a HS dunk contest on ESPN, but he was dunking against white guys and just throwing the ball off the backboard. The dunk contest has been innovated now. I am aware of this, but the superstars make the thing. Tomorrow Gerald Green goes back to being a nobody at the end of the bench for the Wolves. I still think Vince had a better performance than anyone last night and didn't have to resort to using props. He just wrong way 360ed with a huge windmill and looked like he just easily did it.

Howard's much stronger and can jump a heck of a lot higher. Moreover, unlike Kemp, Howard's never had weight issues. or 30 illegitimate kids He's young, give him time.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about people commenting on players when it's clear that they don't even watch basketball. I still think that Kemp was as much a freak as Howard. Howard just has the fortune of not having to dunk in an era with other superstars who want to try the dunk contest. I would love to see LeBron and Kobe and Vince go at each other one time. Although Vince's knee might prevent that from happening at this point.

Yeah, there' a lot of talk in here about basketball from people that don't know basketball. I know it to the extent that I played it in college and have helped coach it. I don't really understand the per issue. I guess it includes defense, or at least hope it would as it is a pretty big part of the game.

Please tell me you disliked Dee Brown. Of course. Not on the same level of Augustine though. And I don't think anyone will ever approach Lucas Johnson's spot on top. Hell even I disliked Lucas Johnson. I don't know how you could not like Dee Brown. He was everything that was right about college basketball.

Please tell me you disliked Dee Brown.

Wasn't Shawn Kemp the same size as Dwight Howard?

And yes, this. I was pretty stoked when it initally sounded like we were going to KC this year. Kauffman is a real nice place to watch a game, and I think they still have the cheapest ticket prices in MLB. I pay 7 bucks for HyVee tickets and then go sit pretty much wherever I want on most days. I love the K.

So according to per. Chris Bosh, T.J. Ford, and Jose Calderon are all ahead of utah's best player. Yet Utah, playing in the much better west, has a much better record. Huh. Guess that per crap really isn't so fool proof. Basketball isn't tennis where it's one guy against another. It's a TEAM game. A great player does need other pieces around him to win. If they have 3 before the other teams top that is 3/5 of said team on the court. Ford and Calderon are both PG's and Ford has only played in 21 games this year so you can't really count him. And after the top two, the Raptors only have Kris Humphries above league average (which is 15) at 16.1 which puts them at three total (or four if you want to count Ford). The Jazz, however, have six players above league average in Williams, Boozer, Kirilenko, Millsap, Brewer and Harpring. They have two others - Ronnie Price at 14.9 (who I'm counting as well though he's only played 32 games) and Kyle Korver at 14.4 - who are nearly at league average. So that's eight players who are above, or very close to, league average for the Jazz as opposed to four for Toronto. Do they have per dating back to the early 90's? I just don't think depth matters that much in the NBA. I am curious to know the Bulls rankings, but way too tired to look it up.

I would rather have the point guard who wins at a higher clip. You can have your stats. Ron Harper >>>>>> Deron Williams Case closed. I am talking over a career, how many games did Ron's clippers teams win again? LOL... You're reaching. So if Harper had never played for the Clippers, my "argument" would be valid? Did he win at Miami of Ohio? Did he really win at a high clip with the Cavs? He was on two great teams. Point to me Deron Williams' Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. Oh and Harper could be better than Williams anyways. Harper could play before he got hurt. Then he did a great job of reinventing himself. You were the one who said you'd take the guy with the higher winning percentage. I just decided to be a smart ass. Well you are selling Ron Harper short. Before he got hurt, he could really play. But, you might be too young to know that. Now Paxson or Armstrong would have worked a lot better.

Chris Paul has always been on teams with equal talent as what Williams has had. Check your per Chandler and West are as good as what the Jazz have. Yet every year Williams teams go farther and win more. I wonder why that is. ...you can't be serious. There's no WAY you can be serious. I am going off of per, which I am told is gospel. Who besides Boozer is that good with Williams.

Chris Paul has always been on teams with equal talent as what Williams has had. Check your per Chandler and West are as good as what the Jazz have. Yet every year Williams teams go farther and win more. I wonder why that is.

I would rather have the point guard who wins at a higher clip. You can have your stats. Ron Harper >>>>>> Deron Williams Case closed. I am talking over a career, how many games did Ron's clippers teams win again? LOL... You're reaching. So if Harper had never played for the Clippers, my "argument" would be valid? Did he win at Miami of Ohio? Did he really win at a high clip with the Cavs? He was on two great teams. Point to me Deron Williams' Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. Oh and Harper could be better than Williams anyways. Harper could play before he got hurt. Then he did a great job of reinventing himself.

I would rather have the point guard who wins at a higher clip. You can have your stats. Ron Harper >>>>>> Deron Williams Case closed. I am talking over a career, how many games did Ron's clippers teams win again?

So according to per. Chris Bosh, T.J. Ford, and Jose Calderon are all ahead of utah's best player. Yet Utah, playing in the much better west, has a much better record. Huh. Guess that per crap really isn't so fool proof. Basketball isn't tennis where it's one guy against another. It's a TEAM game. A great player does need other pieces around him to win. If they have 3 before the other teams top that is 3/5 of said team on the court.

So according to per. Chris Bosh, T.J. Ford, and Jose Calderon are all ahead of utah's best player. Yet Utah, playing in the much better west, has a much better record. Huh. Guess that per crap really isn't so fool proof. Also Miami had, up until 4 days ago, 2 guys in the top 50. New Jersey 0. New Jersey only has 17 more wins. Seems like the whole per scale could use some work.

What is it bad to do that after your other great player got hurt in the same game? Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the game was well in hand for IU throughout the later stages of the 2nd half. Sampson lacks class, he is gonna run it up on MSU. 6 days till the conference is rid of that clown. The college basketball world can only hope. They have to get rid of him, it would be a pr nightmare if they don't.

I would rather have the point guard who wins at a higher clip. You can have your stats.