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Prior did/does have a beautiful delivery though. http://www.pitchingclips.com/clips/mark_prior10.gif

It is, and it seems like a lot of people don't understand just how unnatural a proper overhand pitching delivery truly is. I believe a 3/4 sidearm angle throw is the natural throwing motion for the human body. If a caveman had to pick up a rock and chunk it at something, it certainly wouldn't be throwing like a pitcher.

My feeling exactly. If we start crucifying and holding amphetamines against players, then we need to dig a lot deeper than just a few years back. At least we'll get a good white man back with the HR record. LOL, that's funny as hell.

Rebs are 9-0, woot! Our game against Clemson tomorrow will be a good one, since they are also undefeated.

Finally figured out how stat code works on this message board. Ruth leading the league in OPS+ 13 times is ridiculous. Amazing that Hornsby did it 12 times. I also added Bonds and A-Rod to the list. It's interesting how few times A-Rod has been in the top 6 in the league in offensive categories...obviously his career has a much longer way to go before it is finished, but still. 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Wagner-------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+ led league----8---2----7----3----0---2---5----7---4----6----5---0--6 2nd league----2---2----1----3----1---2---2----1---1----3----0---0--2 3rd-----------0---5----3----2----0---2---2----4---2----2----2---0--2 4th-----------2---3----0----0----1---2---3----2---1----1----0---1--1 5th-----------1---1----1----0----2---1---1----2---2----0----0---0--0 6th-----------1---0----0----1----2---0---1----0---0----1----0---1--0 Hornsby-----BA---Hits-2B---3B--HR----R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+ led league---8----4----4----2---2----5---4----7----9----9----0---3--12 2nd league---2----1----1----1---2----1---1----2----1----1----0---1---1 3rd----------1----1----1----1---3----0---2----0----1----1----0---0---0 4th----------1----3----4----0---1----2---0----0----0----1----0---2---0 5th----------0----0----0----0---5----0---0----0----0----1----0---0---0 6th----------0----0----0----1---1----0---1----1----1----0----0---2---1 Barry Bonds----BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+ Led league------2----0----0---0---2----1----1----1---10--7---0--12--9 2nd in league---0----0----0---0---5----3----1----0---3---1---0---4--3 3rd-------------1----0----0---0---1----6----0----1---0---1---1---1--2 4th-------------0----0----0---0---4----0----4----0---2---3---1---0--0 5th-------------0----0----0---0---0----1----0----3---1---1---2---0--1 6th-------------0----0----0---0---0----3----2----1---0---1---2---0--0 Alex Rodriguez--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+ Led league------1----1----1---0---5----5----2----4---0---3---0---0--2 2nd in league---1----1----0---0---0----2----1----2---1---0---0---0--0 3rd-------------0----0----0---0---0----1----1----1---0---2---0---1--0 4th-------------0----1----0---0---1----0----2----0---1---1---1---0--2 5th-------------0----0----0---0---1----2----1----0---0---1---1---0--3 6th-------------0----1----0---0---1----0----1----1---0---1---0---0--0 Gehrig------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR--Runs--RBI--TB---OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+ Led league---1----1----1----4----2----4----4----2----4----2---0---3--3 2nd league---2----3----0----0----4----2----4----3----2----4---0---2--6 3rd----------3----0----0----1----3----3----2----2----3----1---0---3--3 4th----------0----1----0----0----1----2----2----0----0----3---0---0--0 5th----------2----1----0----0----1----0----0----1----1----0---0---0--0 6th----------1----0----1----0----1----0----0----1----0----0---0---1--0 Ted Williams--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+ Led league-----6----0----2---0---4---6----4----6---12---8---0---8--9 2nd in league--2----1----2---0---4---1----2----0----0---1---0---1--1 3rd------------1----2----0---0---2---1----1----4----0---1---0---2--3 4th------------1----1----2---0---0---1----1----0----0---2---0---0--0 5th------------0----4----0---0---0---0----1----0----0---0---0---1--0 6th------------0----0----0---0---3---0----0----0----1---0---0---1--0 Mickey Mantle--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+ Led league------1----1----0---1---4----6----1----3---3---4---0---5--8 2nd in league---1----0----1---0---3----2----3----4---5---0---0---3--3 3rd-------------1----0----0---0---2----1----1----2---1---2---0---2--1 4th-------------2----2----0---1---0----0----0----1---2---0---2---0--0 5th-------------0----0----0---0---1----0----2----0---0---0---0---0--0 6th-------------0----0----0---1---0----1----3----0---1---1---0---1--0 Willie Mays----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+ Led league------1----1----0---3----4---2----0----3---2---5---4---1--6 2nd in league---3----1----1---1----1---5----2----5---1---3---0---1--1 3rd-------------2----1----1---1----3---3----3----5---2---2---0---2--5 4th-------------0----0----0---0----1---0----2----1---1---2---1---1--2 5th-------------1----1----0---0----2---0----1----1---5---4---0---1--0 6th-------------1----2----2---0----2---2----2----0---1---0---0---3--1 Hank 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Only when Sosa's urine is swished around inside Roast's mouth and HE determines that Sammy juiced will I believe it.

Am I the only person left who didn't know that he had diabetes? No doubt him and Ron are friends.

Robert Fick is one of those guys that makes me think that even I could have played in the bigs at some point if he has. He's terrible. I don't know how he's still in the league.

You don't even know what it means.

Ages 35 and on from some random Hall of Fame type pitchers: Maddux 35 - 146 ERA+, 1.060 WHIP 36 - 158 - 1.199 37 - 108 - 1.182 38 - 109 - 1.180 39 - 104 - 1.220 40 - 109 - 1.219 41 - 98 - 1.242 Jenkins 35 - 124 - 1.080 36 - 102 - 1.286 37 - 103 - 1.222 38 - 77 - 1.528 39 - 118 - 1.330 40 - 88 - 1.327 Carlton 35 - 162 - 1.095 36 - 150 - 1.126 37 - 119 - 1.147 38 - 116 - 1.273 39 - 101 - 1.279 40 - 111 - 1.489 41 - 78 - 1.599 Glavine 35 - 125 - 1.413 36 - 140 - 1.283 37 - 93 - 1.478 38 - 119 - 1.290 39 - 116 - 1.363 40 - 114 - 1.333 41 - 96 - 1.413 Sutton 35 - 160 - 0.919 36 - 126 - 1.015 37 - 112 - 1.154 38 - 92 - 1.194 39 - 103 - 1.293 40 - 100 - 1.239 41 - 111 - 1.164 42 - 92 - 1.252 Clemens 35 - 174 - 1.095 36 - 103 - 1.465 37 - 130 - 1.312 38 - 128 - 1.257 39 - 102 - 1.306 40 - 112 - 1.214 41 - 146 - 1.157 42 - 226 - 1.008 43 - 193 - 1.041 Clemens seemed to be declining on the regular scale of a pitcher of his talent until he started pitching for Houston at age 41.

That seems about right. Let's hope he remains healthier than Rocco has been.

Just came across this Ed Houchuli quote:

OMG, What a TERRRRRIBLE throw. That's just pitiful.

HELL YES!!!!

Don't forget the Juice Box too.

Go BEARS!!!

Woody is losing his mind, as if it wasn't lost already. He totally doesn't seem to take his privilege very seriously. Don't forget he also said he is throwing a sympathy vote Concepcion's way.

Man, if you only knew the half of it.

Interesting about WARP3, I came across this today from BP. It's the all-time leaderboard for the stat. Barry Bonds 242 Babe Ruth 238 Hank Aaron 211 Willie Mays 207 Walter Johnson 203 Roger Clemens 202 Honus Wagner 201 Stan Musial 200 Ty Cobb 195 Cy Young 185 Eddie Collins 182 Cap Anson 180 Mel Ott 180 Rickey Henderson 179 Tris Speaker 177

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This is a legitimate opinion and should not be discarded simply because stats don't support it. After IMB!'s joke is adjusted for all time and park factors, it appears to fall flat of the league average.

Make a case for him being in the HOF. I just don't see it. 129.4 career WARP3 Wow. That is really good. That's quite a bit better than just "really good." I should have put emphasis on the REALLY. Because yes, that is very, very good. Comparably, someone like Sosa is only at 110.

Make a case for him being in the HOF. I just don't see it. 129.4 career WARP3 Wow. That is really good.

Ding Ding! I also found this picture of the Big Train. Crazy orangutan arms he had. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9044/pitcher2ea8.jpg

No, but good guess.