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Young sucks. 2008 Home ERA: 2.35 2008 Road ERA: 5.27 2007 Home ERA: 1.69 2007 Road ERA: 4.52 Get him out of Petco, and he's nothing more than back of the rotation roster filler.

Who do you think the Brewers traded to get Sabathia in the first place?

Peavy, Hermida and Furcal seems too good to be true. So it probably is. However, with Hendry seeming to be a frontrunner for Bradley, and possibly even Abreu, you would have to imagine that whoever they trade for would have to have the potential to be as good as one of the guys they could just sign as a free agent. Luke Scott doesn't do that. Hermida potentially does. I'm not all that thrilled with Hendry talking to MacPhail about anybody at this point since the Cubs always seem to get royally screwed by the Orioles.

Agreed. However, why would Hendry trade a cheaper Pie for a more expensive Taveras? It would make zero sense, especially considering they aren't shopping for a CF.

Where did Hermida come from? And who is better ... Hermida or Bradley? Hermida can actually play for us and not just sit on the DL . . . so Hermida. Teach me about Hermida, I feel like I'm missing something. He had a great year in 07, his first full year, but was pretty awful last year. His slugging and OBP took a big hit. Was there a reason for that, or are we just hoping to buy low and hope he returns to form? he's only 25 he's had major league success he's getting out of dolphins stadium he has awesome minor league numbers i think he's a great buy-low option Ok, I wasn't sure if he had gotten hurt or something. I wouldn't mind him over the likes of Teahen and DeJesus, but I still think I'd rather have Bradley. Of course if Hendry's plan is to get Peavy, get Hermida, and then go hard after Furcal, I'd be all over that. I'm the one who suggested Furcal, not any of the sources. It was just a suggestion. With the money for losing Marquis and DeRosa basically making Peavy's contract a wash, and getting a cheap RF like Hermida (Cedeno's money would make that a wash), maybe there is room to add Furcal. Oh I know it wasn't an official rumor, I was just thinking along a similar mindset to that. I don't know how much we'd have exactly, but I'm sure after unloading Marquis and DeRosa would more or less wash out Peavy for this year, and Hermida would wash out Cedeno, we'd still have some extra money floating around to make another move or two. There was also a rumor floating that whoever Hendry got for RF (Bradley, Abreu, Ibanez) would have the contract backloaded to make it work for 2009. Harden is probably off the books after '09 and Lee and Lilly? comes off after '10.

Where did Hermida come from? And who is better ... Hermida or Bradley? Hermida can actually play for us and not just sit on the DL . . . so Hermida. Teach me about Hermida, I feel like I'm missing something. He had a great year in 07, his first full year, but was pretty awful last year. His slugging and OBP took a big hit. Was there a reason for that, or are we just hoping to buy low and hope he returns to form? he's only 25 he's had major league success he's getting out of dolphins stadium he has awesome minor league numbers i think he's a great buy-low option If we as fans know all these things I'm sure Florida and other GMs know this too. I don't think Hermida is a buy low candidate. I bet you the asking price is very high for him especially now that they moved some other pieces. The White Sox got Carlos Quentin from the DBacks for a minor league first baseman. Teams lose faith in young players quite often. The Marlins have said (since before we traded for Gregg) that Hermida is available, but he wouldn't come cheap. Pie and someone else wouldn't be a cheap package, IMO. The Marlins could put Pie in CF, Maybin in one of the corners and Cedeno can play SS if Ramirez gets moved to 3b.

Where did Hermida come from? And who is better ... Hermida or Bradley? Hermida can actually play for us and not just sit on the DL . . . so Hermida. Teach me about Hermida, I feel like I'm missing something. He had a great year in 07, his first full year, but was pretty awful last year. His slugging and OBP took a big hit. Was there a reason for that, or are we just hoping to buy low and hope he returns to form? he's only 25 he's had major league success he's getting out of dolphins stadium he has awesome minor league numbers i think he's a great buy-low option Ok, I wasn't sure if he had gotten hurt or something. I wouldn't mind him over the likes of Teahen and DeJesus, but I still think I'd rather have Bradley. Of course if Hendry's plan is to get Peavy, get Hermida, and then go hard after Furcal, I'd be all over that. I'm the one who suggested Furcal, not any of the sources. It was just a suggestion. With the money for losing Marquis and DeRosa basically making Peavy's contract a wash, and getting a cheap RF like Hermida (Cedeno's money would make that a wash), maybe there is room to add Furcal.

Where did Hermida come from? And who is better ... Hermida or Bradley? Hermida can actually play for us and not just sit on the DL . . . so Hermida. Teach me about Hermida, I feel like I'm missing something. He had a great year in 07, his first full year, but was pretty awful last year. His slugging and OBP took a big hit. Was there a reason for that, or are we just hoping to buy low and hope he returns to form? he's only 25 he's had major league success he's getting out of dolphins stadium he has awesome minor league numbers i think he's a great buy-low option Exactly. Think along the lines of Carlos Quentin. Put a young guy coming into his prime into a line up full of bats and watch him go.

Marshall? Or is that too much? Maybe Pie and Atkins? I want Hermida badly if our best options are Bradley and Ibanez. Maybe Cedeno. The Marlins are trying to move Uggla. Does Maybin project as a CF or a corner?

Where did Hermida come from? And who is better ... Hermida or Bradley? Bradley. But, for the price, I'd take Hermida. Especially if it meant having the necessary money to get Furcal. Theriot then platoons with Fontenot.

Hmm. Freeing up DeRo and Marquis money and getting Hermida could mean that Hendry will make a run at Furcal?

Pie and ? for Hermida?

I've never seen anyone make the argument that Petco is a hitter's park. But, Peavy is a better pitcher than Sabathia. And cheaper. And younger. And much less abused over the last two seasons.

Veal doesn't own a roster spot on the Cubs, hence the availability through Rule 5. I also don't see a scenario where Hart, Guzman AND Wuertz are part of this trade, unless the Cubs feel like Cedeno and Andres Blanco can pitch in relief.

I find it rather stupid that a top 10 3b of all time can't find his way into the HOF. Especially if there are lesser talented players in there, which there are. There have been a lot of 3b's to play the game over the last 130 some odd years. Santo's numbers are extremely impressive during the dead ball era. I have very little appreciation for the Veteran's Committee.

A lot of times, people reference WARP or EQA or one of the other less than popular stats in one of their posts. Many new members may not even know what site to click on to search for a glossary to find out what it means, how it works and how it pertains to the discussion. When that happens, those posts quite often then ask for an explanation for how that particular stat works. I suppose people could explain it again each time it's brought up. Or, you could harmlessly sticky a glossary in the FAQ thread where people can easily access that info. People could also tell them where they can easily find that info rather than explain it over and over. Or maybe when I get bored, I might want to actually learn EQA, and I know right where I can go to do exactly that. He's not asking everyone to give a pint of blood. I guess the reason I see this as having value is that there are many posters not as knowledgeable as yourself to all the stats that are out there, and may not even begin to know where to go to find this info. For the same reasoning, Raisin posts all the box scores of all the minor league and offseason games in the minor league forum. Sure, we can all go out there and search and find them ourselves. Finding them here is a whole lot easier.

I can't imagine we would lose that many players in this deal. Peavy's good, but he's not 8 players good. Assuming that the rumors we have heard are true. The Cubs would be getting Olson from the Orioles and 2 pitchers from the Phillies for DeRosa. That would then mean that the Cubs would be trading: Olson, Kendrick, Phillies second pitcher, Marquis, Cedeno, Hart, plus losing DeRosa and Pie just to get Peavy. How many 8 for 1's realistically happen? My guess would be that the Padres would be happy to get the 3 pitchers from Baltimore and Philadelphia, Marquis (and cash) and Vitters. Breaking it down to what the Cubs would actually be trading then would be: Marquis, DeRosa, Pie, Vitters. The Padres get Marquis and Vitters along with the 3 pitchers from the other two teams. If Hendry makes this deal work by taking Vitters and Marshall out of the package, I'll be shocked. The deals from Baltimore and Philly should lessen the amount the Cubs pay for Peavy, not keep it the same.

Is Baltimore still out of the picture at this point?

This is all so surreal right now. The possibility of resigning Dempster, trading for Peavy, signing Milton Bradley, all while there is basically a lame duck team owner is just mind boggling. "Hey, let's all spend the NEXT owner's money, and spend it GOOD!"

Which part of the day are you referring to? Hendry's cards are being played close to the vest, and Towers has all of his laid out on the table. Predictable that there are tons of varying reports.

I hate doing MLPeel's job. He was much better at it than I. If we could get CubColtPacer to post here more often, I would bequeth that responsibility onto him. :thumbsup:

I could see towers and hendry tripping on shrooms while going to see cirque du soleil to discuss this deal. "The tall chair is gawking at me and the short one is behaving very droll!" Maybe the holdup is the Cubs getting another player back in the deal. Remember when Minnesota expected to get Murton in the Nomar deal? Maybe Towers sees someone he likes in the Rule V draft and wants to make sure that he has roster space. That's unlikely. He's looking to receive a large number of players that almost all would need placed on the 40 man immediately. If he wants somebody in the rule 5, he's already got a roster crunch... waiting wont help. But on the other side of the page, youd think that Hendry would want it done before the draft, as Im assuming that theyre will be at least 3 spaces opened up on our 40 man, and he could chose to pretect a few more guys. I might be wrong, but I don't think it works that way. You have to submit your 40 man roster by a particular date, thereby exposing those players that are not on the 40 man and not protected by other means to Rule 5. If you allowed teams to pull players back in, the Rule 5 draft would be a crazy mess.

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/getting_closer_to_a_deal_for_p.html Not much that we didn't already know(move Marquis/Derosa/find 3rd team), but at least they are still talking and Towers seems to think they are closer to a deal, interesting that they would wait until thursday to announce a trade. This is just nerve racking :banghead: How about before the Bears game rather than during?

Thanks for this post. Wow. That really sucks. I'm guessing these guys were being too critical of San Diego sports and someone pressured them into being let go. I'm not familiar with Tutino, but I really like Werndl. Never would have guessed that spelling.

Him and Joe Tutino were let go by 1090. That sucks. I liked Philly Billy.