Hooooly crap. Of course, while talking about the scrap heap finds, some of you also ignore that the reason he goes for scrap heap guys is because he's done such a damn good job wrapping up his payroll into superstuds that are extremely reliable like Pujols, Carpenter, Rolen, and Edmonds. This year, that strategy hasn't worked because for the first time since they came into the league, Rolen and Edmonds are healthy and not producing. It's impossible to accurately quantify the value of managers or general managers, because they aren't performing on the field, but to act like Jocketty wouldn't be a significant upgrade and the best available option is a joke. My favorite part of the thread was this: In the last 11 years the Cardinals have won seven divison titles, two NL pennants and a World Series. In the last 11 years the Cubs have won one division title (by one game) and one wild card. But did he trade for DLee and Ramirez? I hope you're joking. McGwire for TJ Matthews and such crap that I can't remember. Edmonds for Kent Bottenfield and Adam Kennedy. Rolen for Bud Smith and Placido Polanco. Woody Williams trade, Chris Carpenter signing, Pujols draft, 7 div titles in 11 years, 5 nlcs appearances, 2 pennants, 1 world series, etc.