I'm sure they are saying the same thing about the successes of Soto, Dempster, Marmol, Fontenot and Theriot. Marmol and Soto were top 10 prospects in the Cubs system at one time, Soto was even a top 75 prospect in all of baseball going into last season. Before his last year in the minors, Soto wasn't anything more than a middling prospect in the Cubs org projected to be a backup catcher in the bigs. The fact that all the sudden he had a breakout year at age 25, made the majors and won ROY still irks some Cards fans. No doubt Marmol was a top 10 prospect, but the way he took over the setup role and became arguably the best setup guy in baseball also irks Cards fans. Are you guys talking to the Cardinals fans in your head or going to stltoday for your inside info? I've never heard anyone complain about Soto and Marmol.