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That's my most important requirement in any and all Cub acquisitions. Someone get Hendry on the phone. :D I know I am going to take some hits for that comment but it's cool. I can take it. Like I said, if they aren't a good player, doesn't matter if they are easy on the eyes. Good thing you are not the GM then :) At least we'd have Grady Sizemore on the team.

no, it proves he started doing them in 2003. when he stopped is unknown. I highly doubt he is still using HGH. The report mentioned nothing about HGH in relation to Brian Roberts.

Cuse are you trying to quantify crisis prevention? If so, I think you'll find that there is very little evidence to prove it exists. Its mainly just random variation. For example, look at LOB%. It fluctuates year to year and regressed to the norm.

Wont he be a FA after this season?

FYI there's no way Blanton is dealt forthr packages described in this thread. Nor will Santana come for anything close to cheap. I even think you all underestimate how much Greinke would cost. Royals have no reason to deal him.

You're wrong. It means he's a piss poor ninny who should be dealt immediately. What kind of pansy has a higher ERA with guys on base? I'll tell you what kind, a documented steroid abuser. Funny how you revert to this type of a point when you can't prove me wrong. 'Cuse, it's going to be impossible to prove you wrong, because if he's getting rocked, his numbers will suck because he's getting rocked. You've constructed a circular argument. No I haven't USS. What I'm asking is what numbers prove when he is struggling how he reacts to that. Prior has had success his whole life and is used to things going his way pitching wise. My point is when he doesn't have that success, how he reacted or performed when he was failing. I've worked with many pitchers in my life and I've seen and actually been there when some of them that when things are going well, they're fine. But, when they get hit hard their confidence changes. It's my opinion that Prior was like this. Now, I've had kids that were just as good but wouldn't give an inch at any time. Again, it's my opinion. Easy, go through his gamelogs.

Right about what? As far as I can tell you haven't made an argument. All you've done is asked for #s that you know aren't mineable with the tools available to the public and all we've said is that those numbers don't prove anything.

No one has LD% by split. And I have no idea why you'd want that anyway. To prove that once he starts to get hit, he gets lit up. I thought numbers told the whole story? That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like asking for a team's record when they score fewer runs than the other team. No it isn't. I was asked to show numerically why I thought he struggled when others hit him hard and that's simply what I'm asking for. Yes it is. If Prior started to get hit and then was able to stop the bleeding, it wouldn't show up there, because he wouldn't have given up 4+ runs. So there are no numbers that tell us once a pitcher gives up a certain amount of runs, how well or poorly he pitches? There are numbers, we just don't have them. Also, don't you think there might be a bit of a selection bias as well as sample size issues on what you are asking? And what are you trying to prove with your LD%?

No one has LD% by split. And I have no idea why you'd want that anyway. To prove that once he starts to get hit, he gets lit up. I thought numbers told the whole story? That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like asking for a team's record when they score fewer runs than the other team. No it isn't. I was asked to show numerically why I thought he struggled when others hit him hard and that's simply what I'm asking for. What would line drive percentage in games after Prior gave up 4 runs or more prove?

Clemens is in no matter what. Second ballot at worst. He was just too dominating and did too many things at HOF caliber to not include. McGwire just hit HR's. [Defamatory Statement]Pfffft, a ton of guys in the HOF cheated in one way or another as well.[/Defamatory Statement]

hey questionmarkgrace....see above I don't think we should trade Hill for Bedard, but I also don't think it's fair to compare these numbers. Bedard pitched in the much tougher AL East. Um, thats what the stat above debunks (at least for 2007). Tougher by 014 OPS points. Thats not the OPS allowed by the pitchers I'm quoting. Thats the total OPS of the batters they face (ie the OPS those batters have for the year). It shows that Hill basically faced the same quality of hitters that Bedard faced. That's a flawed conclusion. Go back to your numbers, and replace National League with "High School" and American League with "New York Yankees," and see if it still makes sense. Basically you'd be concluding that high school hitters are the same quality as NYY hitters, since they had the same OPS. Obviously the key element being ignored is the disparity in the quality of the pitching each group faces. Ok, how about I 'normalize' and list the OPS of all the AL East starters(note, again this is not OPS against) O's Cabrera-767 Trax-762 Burres-761 Guthrie-758 Bedard-744 BoSox Schilling-775 Wakefeild-767 Dice-K-762 Tavarez-758 Beckett-757 Yanks Clemens-768 Muss-765 Hughes-764 Wang-761 Pettite-759 Rays Hammel-785 Shields-768 Sonny-765 Jackson-759 Kaz-752 Jays Halladay-775 Marcum-770 Towers-770 McGowan-759 Litsch-763 Burnett-759

hey questionmarkgrace....see above I don't think we should trade Hill for Bedard, but I also don't think it's fair to compare these numbers. Bedard pitched in the much tougher AL East. Um, thats what the stat above debunks (at least for 2007). Tougher by 014 OPS points. Thats not the OPS allowed by the pitchers I'm quoting. Thats the total OPS of the batters they face (ie the OPS those batters have for the year). It shows that Hill basically faced the same quality of hitters that Bedard faced. Does that factor in how many times Hill and Bedard faced each hitter? By that I mean, if Bedard faces a guy with a OPS of 1.000 25 times and a guy with an OPS of .700 once, do each of those factor in evenly (i.e. (.700+1.000)/2 = .850) or is it weighted (i.e. (1.000*25 + .700*1)/26 = .988). I would assume it's the latter because the former is pretty much meaningless but I want to be sure. Its a weighted average.

That list that came out before the actual report was a bogus list.

Yes, it says how they got the evidence and what drugs they took.

What is the source for these numbers? Baseball Prospectus. I believe their stats page is only available to members.

While there may be no need to adjust predicted production, I highly doubt everyone has been clean the past couple years. The thing is, if they haven't been caught on the plan yet, you may be able to assume they are smart enough to avoid detection. Then there is still no need to adjust predicted production. If they haven't been caught the past couple years, they won't be caught the next couple years. Theres been no indication that any of the testing is going to change, correct? The whole Mitchell Report is to show that many baseball players abused PEDs in the past, but stopped when the ban was put in place. Its all just show so Selig can prove that hes "cleaned up the game".

This is what happens when btb runs out of 3 way ideas for the cubs...I think we need to call A&E, because btb most definitely needs an Intervention. "My name is Back to B. and I'm addicted to 3 way trades" "Hi Back to B."

I thought he had already been named in the Grimsley affidavit. So it shouldn't be a surprise to any GM if he's in the report. It shouldn't be. We've all known this for a year. Also, I don't understand the big hulabaloo about discounting players being named. Sure, discount the years they could have been on the stuff, but that was a few years ago. Everyones been clean for the last couple years, so theres no need to adjust their predicted production.

You forgot Billingsley who I think is their 1 or 2 best SP. Schmidt, no idea what they are going to get out of him. Yup, despite the best efforts of Colletti to bring the dodgers down, because of Logan White and Paul Depodesta, they should have a pretty good chance of winning the West.

On the whole? Sure, AL east hitters are probably better than NL central hitters, thats not what the stat proves at all. The evidence shows that in 2007 Bedard and Hill faced about the same level of hitters. Theres a big difference between those two statements. Its absurd to ignore the facts.

So, let's see if Hendry does something in the pitching department, and then let's revert to the name calling. I am not upset at all by this. I still think Hendry is going to make 2 or 3 more moves. Hoops, have you heard the name Kei Igawa anywhere? I'd have to believe he'd be a pretty perfect target for the cubs. Hes 7th on the Yanks starting rotation depth chart Cubs were extremely interested in him in the past Signed to only 4M/year contract for 4 years Pitched very well in AAA last year He probably could be had for a bucket of balls and should be serviceable in the back end of the rotation. Hes quite cheap and only 28.

hey questionmarkgrace....see above I don't think we should trade Hill for Bedard, but I also don't think it's fair to compare these numbers. Bedard pitched in the much tougher AL East. Um, thats what the stat above debunks (at least for 2007). Tougher by 014 OPS points. Thats not the OPS allowed by the pitchers I'm quoting. Thats the total OPS of the batters they face (ie the OPS those batters have for the year). It shows that Hill basically faced the same quality of hitters that Bedard faced.

Yup, I would have rather had ONE of the dodgers players than FIVE of the Astros.

hey questionmarkgrace....see above

Did anyone hear if the Mets tendered Estrada a contact or not? Nothing official, but they are expected not to http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/12/12/2007-12-12_willie_randolph_says_mets_not_giving_up_.html