When it comes to judging a player, those intangibles shouldn't be the first thing to look at though. If the guy can run fast and play good defense, that's great. It's a bonus. Cubs actually scored less runs with Lofton at the top, and I don't see how Coleman helped his teams a lot with that .324 OBP. You can't steal 1B. :wink: But you can steal second and third, as he often did. The '04 team scored runs in bunches, often going several games with 1-2 runs then exploding for 10. When Lofton was here we were much more consistent. You need to check (or create) a Team Runs Consistency stat. That's pretty much what I meant, thanks ZZ. And, again, OBP isn't the only measure. Measure the team's productivity in general. The Sox, who don't have any consistency in the middle of their order, are, IMO, getting by in large part due to what they have at the top. The old Cards teams of the mid-80s were built on Coleman and Ozzie setting the table. They had almost no real power behind them, sans Jack Clark. Look up and down at the best teams of the last 25 years, and I would bet most of them had good leadoff hitters in the mold of the Posednicks, Loftons, and Colemans. Again, not an absolute, but generally helpful and a sign of a winning team.