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Fixed, I used to think he's getting held like crazy and for whatever reason teams are being allowed to do so but, I don think that's it, the guy's toast. He done having big impact games or being the guy other teams have to specifically scheme to stop. I still wonder how he finished as the number 1 graded Linebacker on PFF's grades last season. Not that PFF is end all be all, but its looking at every snap he took and how he specifically performed on that play. Either he's doing a bunch of horsefeathers that goes unnoticed (beyond drawing double/triple teams) or there's a flaw in the system. As you said, there must be something else, he's been pretty much invisible for what, at least the last two seasons?

Fixed, I used to think he's getting held like crazy and for whatever reason teams are being allowed to do so but, I don think that's it, the guy's toast. He done having big impact games or being the guy other teams have to specifically scheme to stop.

Me to, think he ran out of gas, so many unforced errors = tired, to his credit, Medvedev did execute also, looked good and had far more in the tank.

A lot of good points here. I am willing to be proven wrong but I just can't see a way that Nagy leads the Bears to a competent offense. Even if Fields eventually gets in there and plays well, I think his playcalling and game planning will always hold the offense back from being good, unless seeing him play well finally gives him the confidence to stop being a conservative turd. I think he's just not the guy, though if he was willing to hand the playcalling reigns over to someone more competent he could be the coach that oversees everything and fosters a good locker room which he seems to do well. That's the only way Nagy works as a head coach IMO, but he seems to have too big of an ego to permanently allow someone else to call plays. You saw how reluctant he was to do it last year, and when the offense had a couple decent games in a row he quickly took control back and the offense faltered again (though admittedly it may be because they played the Packers and Saints) Spot on, last year, he had the perfect chance to let it all hang out against the Saints, it was the ultimate what the horsefeathers game. And he still couldn't bring himself to be aggressive, I'm beginning to think he could have Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady and still manage to be the supremely incompetent wuss that he is.

Yeah, Nagy' ball-less-ness is getting real tiresome, his offense has been hot garbage. I know its only pre-season but, he's shown nothing hopeful even with a decently average QB.

I am so glad the Bears were never able to trade for or taken seriously as a destination for Carson Wentz. Had they been able to complete the trade, Justin Fields would be elsewhere, I also believe Wentz would have been a colossal failure as a Bear.

No, part of Rodgers thing is no one even told him they were drafting Love, and people are contrasting that with the fact that Nagy called Dalton twice making GB look worse. I see what you mean. otoh, who looks worse, the Packers or Rodgers? or both? lol Tough call on who looks worse, I'll go with Rodgers. Do the Packers have to clear every draft pick with him? Who the horsefeathers does he think he is, the GM?

Well, they managed to draft Fields, could it be, for the first time in Bears history, they got the fellow who'll turn out to be the best QB of the 2021 Draft? Someone the Bears maybe, not so much the Bears, but the fans and press can rub in the faces of the 49ers and Jets? That would be utterly shocking...

After Trubisky, the red flag around the ability to quickly go through progressions must be the reddest of red flags for the Bears and especially Pace, no? So, given this, I guess the question is he capable of learning what Mitch never could? just because OSU's first read was open 85% of the time doesnt mean Fields cant read the coverage. He may be untested, but to write him off seems unfounded maybe Hence the question of whether he's capable or not and the only way to answer it is to draft him and give it a go. However, as has been mentioned the football gods have to smile on the Bears in a big way for Fields to even be a realistic possibility. And when have they smiled upon the Bears in recent memory or ever?

I'm amazed at how Fields has fallen from clear #2 pick at the start of the college football season to fourth or fifth QB on the board. Wilson seems awesome, but he did it for one season against weak competition. Jones seems to have a limited ceiling compared to the other four in his athleticism, and also did it for one season with an NFL roster around him. Lance hasn't played since 2019 and started for one season, too. Fields has had some awful games, but he also balled out against Clemson after taking that big hit. If he fells to 13 somehow I would expect Pace to go up and get him. And I'd be hapy about it. Not sure what it would take to get there, maybe a 2nd and next years first? What is the biggest reservation people have with Fields? I've read something about how he went to his first option like 85% of the time last season or something so there were questions about his ability to go through progressions in the NFL when the defenses are faster and the first option isn't always open like at OSU, but that's about it. Athleticism, arm strength, accruacy all see 90+ percentile. There is discussion about social biases in place and its a fair discussion but anything else from a pure football standpoint that is giving these teams pause? After Trubisky, the red flag around the ability to quickly go through progressions must be the reddest of red flags for the Bears and especially Pace, no? So, given this, I guess the question is he capable of learning what Mitch never could?

Adam Miller is transferring, one of the potential land spots being mentioned is Kentucky? Let's see if I've got it straight - Miller, basically a standstill spot up shooter, is leaving a program with quite probably the best PG in the conference and going to a program with multitudes of players of more ability than him? A program where there's an excellent chance he'll hardly see the floor, makes perfect sense.

With Hader leading off there's a good chance are done with that POS today so, that's a good thing.

If things don't soon change I have to think that's going to happen. replaced by whom? Guess there's no one, so, as suggested bury him deep in the order in the hopes he'll be mildly productive.

How about a Rizzo bent knee bomb?

If things don't soon change I have to think that's going to happen.

At times, even in the last at bat, he looks as he's figured out the league is going down and away on strike 2 to him, takes the pitch. But, on the next such offering swings and doesn't even come close.

That strike two pitch to KB, that was the one to hit.

And gave up a legit hit, Happ hit that ball pretty hard.

I remember a Mike Krukow complete game with only 64 pitches, with that last pitch, the least Woodruff can throw in a CG is 65 so, there's that...and Woodruff doesn't even come close to how dominant Kerry Wood was on that day in May against an infinitely better hitting team.

Yes but, to appear so feeble and having absolutely no chance in every at bat? All 9 of them? And that's generously including Hendricks and Wolters. Tell me who's going to get a hit.

Yes but, to appear so feeble and having absolutely no chance in every at bat? Hell, yesterday that [expletive] Peralta hung a few sliders that were swung and missed on or turned into weak grounders.

Elevate? They can't even horsefeathering hit the ball.

Yeah, but Schwarber has covid I'm not even suggesting Schwarber, I'm suggesting Ross and the Cubs not show that much patience and go with, someone, anyone who can make contact once in a while. At times K's aren't so bad but, there's also cases were it's helpful to put the ball in play which, apparently, Joc cannot do.

Raise your hand if already had enough of Joc and his K's. Honestly, the Cubs might as well start any inning he's due to bat with an out, he's literally no chance out there, none whatsoever. I know its a bit rash but, horsefeathers it looks like the guy' never going to even put the ball in play.

Lol Joc is better Really? If you look at the statistics they're almost identical in BA, OBP and SLG in fact, Schwarber' OPS is slightly higher.