Don't make the mistake of commingling unpopular and contrarian with uninformed. Those are two very different things. Frankly that's at the root of the problem. Too many folks see an opinion they disagree with, and instantly leap to the conclusion that the person speaking it is uninformed, or stupid, or an idiot or whatever. Next they attack the poster and not the post, and just like that a perfectly good thread is in the gutter. Meanwhile the moderators look the other way, or join in the belittling. With all due respect, the solution is not for the contrarians to grow thicker skin and take the abuse. That's pure crap. The solution is for the board to be more effectively moderated, and the NSBB community to be more civil and tolerant. Getting rid of that Meph person was a good start. That guy was clearly very bright, but *so* disruptive. Even with him gone this place is still so perpetually hostile it's sad. There are so very many faulty assumptions posed as fact in this post, there isn't a good place to start dealing with it. Good show. And would you care to explain exactly where he's wrong? - Assuming many folks leap to the conclusion that the other poster is an idiot. - Assuming they attack the poster and not the post. - Assuming that instantly sends the thread to the gutter. - Assuming the other side is simply "contrarians". - Assuming the popular side "abuses" the "contrarians". - Assuming moderators just look the other way when stuff goes on. - Assuming when moderators join in, it's belittling. - Assuming he knows the "solution" to the "problem" of "group think" "abusing" the "contrarians" - Assuming Meph was very bright. - Assuming this place is perpetually hostile for no reason. Do you see how the faulty assumptions just continue to build on each other until he reaches a supposed factual conclusion based on complete nonsense? I still don't see where he's totally wrong. While none of the things he stated are absolutes or even happen the majority of the time, there are many cases of just about every single one of those things happening.